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File:20th Arab Scout Jamboree 1992.png[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fails WP:NFCC#8 in Arab Scout Region (World Organization of the Scout Movement) and Scouting in Somalia and WP:NFCC#10c in Scouting in Somalia. Stefan2 (talk) 11:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uploader not notified because the talk page is fully protected. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Agnes Husband's Burgess Ticket.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Unclear if free, keep as is -FASTILY 07:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this a government work and thus {{PD-UKGov}}? Stefan2 (talk) 13:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this suggestion, I looked back at my original request for licence to use, my correspondence re the archived document which was on public display by the owner, Dundee City Archive and Record Centre.(with Sarah Aitken, Assistant Archivist, who was the one who took the photograph and thus the image author?) shows that the archives clearly granted permission for me to upload it for its use in the Wikipedia article Agnes Husband as they could not upload to Wikipedia direct and also said it would go to Dundee Archives flickr.

This image was for the very first article I created for Wikipedia and may have chosen the wrong licence type.

However as Dundee (or other UK cities) are not listed under Crown Copyright bodies {{PD-UKGov}} may not apply.

Having a look at the PD types it may be covered by {{PD-1996}} as it was publicly created in 1926.

Alternatively I can ask the archivist to add it to the Dundee Archives flickr account now for PD use.

Please advise. Kaybeesquared (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. I have asked about PD-UKGov at c:COM:VPC#Crown copyright and works by cities.

{{PD-1996}} only applies if the work was in the public domain in the UK in 1996. If the work is {{PD-UKGov}}, then PD-1996 also applies. If PD-UKGov doesn't apply, then PD-1996 doesn't apply either.

At the very least, the work becomes {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} next year. I have added some parser functions which will automatically remove the fair use rationale and replace the copyright tag next year. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for that response, as I had thought that would be the best way once I read a bit more, and was going to do this manually at that time.

Please also kindly let me know the outcome of PD-UKGov discussions as a lot of articles I work on have images in the public ownership of city authorities in the UK and responses to requests vary!

Thanks Kaybeesquared (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The file page tells us that "this image is subject to copyright", and "permission to use in this specific article was given by the Assistant Archivist Dundee City Archives". The former is unsubstantiated (who is the creator? If none is named, then it is likely PD as an anonymous work more than 70 years old). The latter is irrelevant, unless Dundee City Archives are claiming to be the copyright holder. If so, on what basis? Furthermore, if we were reliant on such permission, the uploaders say-so would not be sufficent; we would require confirmation from the Archivist via VRS (formerly OTRS).

Finally, despite the uploader saying "This image has not been reduced as it is necessary to see the heraldic detail", the image has been resized - by a bot - from 287KB to 23KB, rending it virtually useless for this stated purpose. If it is a PD image, the original as uploaded should be restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this suggestion, so for clarification on the first point Dundee City Archives hold the original which was issued for Agnes Husband by Dundee City (so there is no doubt they are the document copyright owner, and the photo image of the original document was taken by their assistant archivist in the course of her work, so she would be the author of that image, and gave permission for it to be uploaded.

On the second point, as explained earlier this was the first article, first image I had used on wikipedia and so forgive me if I did not feel able to challenge bot-edit of the size of the image after it changed it.

I can attempt to do that (perhaps): do agree such a document could/should/will be considered PD material.

Thanks Kaybeesquared (talk) 11:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since the text can't be read, it's unknown if an author is indicated on the image itself. At the very least, the image is currently {{Not-PD-US-URAA}}, meaning unfree in the United States, assuming it's not PD-UKGov. I suggest keeping the image as-is for now and undeleting the high-resolution copy and reverting on 1 January next year. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Commons doesn't recognise any copyright in a reproduction of a 2D work (i.e. the assistant curator's photograph). You say "there is no doubt they are the document copyright owner", and that may be, but if the creator (the designer, if you like) died more than 70 years ago, or is not known, then the work is out of copyright. We need clarity on that point. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that point, I am glad to have that clarified, if it is a general point (no copyright in photo of a 2D work) it is very helpful - can you point me to the WP on that ? Still interested in Crown Copyright question being clarified as well. Re the designer, or the creator (if it was as I suspect, hand drawn) as he/she had made it in 1926 then it is necessarily so! (made before the date awarded i.e. before 4 March 1926) ^[1] so now I would like to upload the high res version again and choose the right licence - can you confirm which one ? - to see the detail. Thanks for your help to someone still learning the complexities of permissions for images. Kaybeesquared (talk) 11:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Ai Laika!.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to verify copyright status as the source website is dead. Depicted band does not appear to be notable. Image is not currently used anywhere. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Beer die tshirt.jpeg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Derivative work of copyrighted design. Permission from original artist is required. Image is not used anywhere. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:27, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bust of Ferdinand Marcos.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep as fair use. There is no FOP in the Philippines and the artwork no longer exists -FASTILY 07:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fails WP:FREER. This is listed as cc-by-nc on Flickr. Stefan2 (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no freedom of panorama in the Philippines and the bust is already destroyed so a free alternative is not possible.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bridgend Perth.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fails WP:NFCC#8. However, considering that the photo is from 1905, it could also be {{PD-US-1923-abroad}}, depending on when it was first published. Stefan2 (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Nokia E7 with homescreen.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair-use image marked as not replaceable because "No alternative without the homescreen visible could be found." However, a free alternative without the copyrighted home screen was later added to the article. Ixfd64 (talk) 19:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Tucke Monument.jpeg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why this image is marked as non-free. Although the Flickr page is now giving a 403 error, an archived copy shows that the image was published under a free license. The depicted monument was erected in 1914 and should already be in public domain. Ixfd64 (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relicense to cc-by-2.0 and copy to Commons. Salavat (talk) 06:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Air Academy High School.png[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure this qualifies for fair use. Unless the school is a restricted area or no longer exists, then someone could go there and take a picture. Ixfd64 (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Amr Shady 25.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No indication who this person is and why he's notable. Image is not used anywhere. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Al Ain Zoo Name Board.JPG[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No freedom of panorama in the United Arab Emirates. Image is not used anywhere. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:AsdicScreenShot.png[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused screenshot of non-free [1] software. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Blue at ltu.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Blue at ltu.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bluewater Irataba.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bluewater Irataba.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:01, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Boken till dig.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Convert to fair-use -FASTILY 07:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Boken till dig.jpg. If unfree, it could probably be used under the WP:NFCC policy. Stefan2 (talk) 23:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relicense to non-free book cover and add a fair use. Salavat (talk) 06:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:BothellCountryVillageChicken.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:BothellCountryVillageChicken.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Brown Bear Car Wash statue.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Brown Bear Car Wash statue.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Trajan-denarius.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Trajan-denarius.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Vase painting of women engaged in wool-working.jpeg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Vase painting of women engaged in wool-working.jpeg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per my comment in the commons deletion discussion. The photo is CC-0; the vase itself is long out of copyright. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Eagleiidocs.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Eagleiidocs.jpg Stefan2 (talk) 23:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:A small modern kids' doll lying on a soft surface.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:A small modern kids' doll lying on a soft surface.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, essentially orphaned (not used in the main space) with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bethlehem banner.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bethlehem banner.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, questionable licensing and no obvious reason why the file is useful if converted to non-free. Salavat (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Buddy (magazine) Buddy Holly logo.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: convert to fair use. Ixfd64 (talk) 02:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Buddy (magazine) Buddy Holly logo.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, mislabelled non-free file so I have relicensed to non-free logo and added a fairuse. Salavat (talk) 06:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Camp Milton.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Camp Milton.jpg. Stefan2 (talk) 23:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Australia Christmas Island license plate graphic.png[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Australia Christmas Island license plate graphic.png. Stefan2 (talk) 23:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:BCNA Logo.jpg[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Convert to fair-use -FASTILY 07:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:BCNA Logo.jpg. I propose re-tagging it as {{non-free logo}}. Stefan2 (talk) 23:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think this is legit as I did find a Laura Crowden who worked at the organization in question. [2] However, we generally require VRT permission for corporate works. @Lauracrowden: Please see c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team and follow the instructions there. Ixfd64 (talk) 00:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relicense to non-free logo and add a fair use. Salavat (talk) 06:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Beg seal transparent.png[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Beg seal transparent.png. Stefan2 (talk) 23:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, questionable licensing and no obvious reason why the file is useful if converted to non-free. Salavat (talk) 06:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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