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Raveena Tandon filmography[edit]

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Nominator(s): Krish | Talk 15:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the list meets the criteria and provides a sourced and well-written listing of her films. Raveena Tandon is one of Bollywood's most popular actresses. She has also received critical acclaim for portraying strong women in several films and has won the National Film Award for Best Actress. Looking forward to lots of constructive commentsKrish | Talk 15:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Pavanjandhyala
  • Screen debut can be either on-screen or off-screen. Please clarify.
  • Replace "won" with "earned" in the case of Patthar Ke Phool.
  • "This was followed by a series of unsuccessful films which continued with her 1993 releases"—I suggest you to rephrase it to "This was followed by a series of unsuccessful films until the end of 1993."
  • "Among these were two of the top grossing films"—highest grossing? If yes, also mention whether they were for that year.
Please read the whole text which says "In 1994, she appeared in eight Hindi films, most of them were commercial successes. Among these were two of the top grossing films – the action drama Mohra and the romantic musical drama Dilwale." So mentioning of year is not necessary Krish | Talk 09:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Action film is enough for Mohra. Few thrills cannot make an action film an "action thriller".
  • "Her other film was the comedy Andaz Apna Apna, which though initially a box-office disappointment, over the years achieved cult status"—"achieved cult status over the years".
  • Again, Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi is just an action film.
  • Remove action film for Ziddi. It shall avoid repetition and shall make the readers job a bit easy,
  • Any reason for not mentioning her Tamil debut Sadhu, Kannada debut Upendra, Aalavandhan? The last is surely a notable one and the second is her only Kannada film till date.
  • No mention of Bangaru Bullodu (1993) and Akasa Veedhilo (2001) in the list and the lead. According to this, the former is her Telugu debut and including Pandavulu Pandavaulu Tummeda (2014), which you mention in the lead, Tandon did three films in Telugu. I suggest you to document the other two correctly in the list and the lead, if possible.
Because it was her comeback film after a long hiatus. And, she is known for her Bollywood films, so its not really important to say she made her this language debut 5 times.Krish | Talk 09:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if that is the case, i would ask you to list her three Telugu films with reliable sources in the list under filmography section. You have one, and two are left. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:23, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pavanjandhyala Actually there aren't any sources for other two films. Hence, I was suggested to remove those films in the first FLC.Krish | Talk 17:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead and add them. I will provide the sources. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:26, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pavanjandhyala I have added the films, so kindly provide aources for the same.Krish | Talk 09:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is Laboratory her Bengali debut? If yes, mention it.
  • Three dead links, one uncategorized redirect and one has connection issue. Fix them. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 07:39, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
These links are for box-office figures and Box Office India is the only source which provides old film's box-office figures. As published in an article on the site, it will start working in few days.Krish | Talk 09:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If that is the case, then please let me know once these links start working. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced with the archives.Krish | Talk 09:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • BTW, Tandon didn't make a cameo appearance in a song in Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap. In that, she had a small role, which cannot be considered a cameo appearance however. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Corrected.Krish | Talk 09:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nice job on the list so far. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:49, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for your detailed review Pavan. Krish | Talk 14:58, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by FrB.TG:

  • Reference 1 says that she received Filmfare's New Face Award for her debut film yet our article claims that it was Best Female Debut.
It was renamed. Look at Tabu filmography.Krish | Talk 16:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, they are two different categories, see Filmfare Award for New Face of the Year.
This page was created in January 2016, without any sources. In other FLs, Best female Debut is used and the template is same for these awards because only the name was changed and that's it.Krish | Talk 05:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There were seven winners of said award, and on each article I find the name Lux New Face e.g. Juhi Chawla and Bhagyashree with the exception of this. Tabu, on the other hand, was the winner of Best Female Debut, unlike Tandon. --FrB.TG (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FrB.TG Best Female Debut was first awarded to Preity Zinta, so you are telling that Tabu debuted after Zinta?Krish | Talk 03:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly the first actress to win the award was Tabu. The Best Debut award (both genders combined to that point) was given to Ajay Devgan that year for his debut work than Tandon, who was honoured with New Face of the Year. Even the given source says so. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 06:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done.Krish | Talk 12:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither source 1 nor 2 support the claim that she had a number of flops until the end of 1993. Ref 2 does list her films' verdicts but they are only from 1994-present.
The NDTV source does say this "hereafter, the actress did several films like Parampara (1992), Ek Hi Raasta (1992), Divya Shakti (1992) and Pehla Nasha (1993). But it was her 1994 film Mohra which turned out to be a blockbuster hit."Krish | Talk 16:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You need to wiki-link The New Indian Express in source #8.
  • Ref 36 and 86 - ditto.
  • The reference for Vinashak – Destroyer says that the name of her role in the film is "Kajal" while our article claims that she played "Kajol"
  • Ref 43 does not support the name of her role in Saalakhein.
  • Ref 66 is supposed to be for the film Officer and is titled so, but the link goes to Aks.
  • Ref 80 is the wrong link, like above.
  • The reference for Pehchaan: The Face of Truth does not support the name of her role.
  • The source for Pandavulu Pandavulu Tummeda does not say anything-the names of director and her role- that the article claims except that she was in the film. -- Frankie talk 15:35, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rest Done.Krish | Talk 16:06, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Yashthepunisher

  • Since Dus wasn't completed, is it wise to mention the release date?
The film was scheduled for a 1997 release. It also has a page on wikipedia and the film is still notable owing to the popularity of the song "Hindustani". The film wont release ever, so we can't even put after 2016. So, its fine.Krish | Talk 17:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest using an en-dash instead of the year.
  • I think its better to mention the director's name of Satta in the lead. It saw one of her best performances.
  • "..she starred as Choti Bahu". Can you remove "Choti bahu" from it?
  • Why mention Ritu Ghosh in television section?
Not done. You can mention him in the lead like Bhandarkar, since he was a highly notable bengali director. But not in the table.
Removed.Krish | Talk 18:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both reality dance/comedy show redirects to reality television.
  • The whole film table seems to rely on a single source "BH". Am sure there are better sources avaliable for those films.
No, there is not a single source other than Bollywood Hungama, which provides the information about cast and crew. It's the only site and its reliable. It took me a day to put all the links together owing to her large filmography.Krish | Talk 17:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have worked on a much larger filmography with minimal use of "BH" as a source. Yashthepunisher (talk) 17:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that. But I don't think that is a criteria. All the American filmographies have the same Rotten Tomatoes and AllMovie sources cited for films.Krish | Talk 18:03, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. It's not a good idea to rely on sources all from the same publisher. There is also a WP policy on it which I don't remember. You can have some different sources probably film reviews. -- Frankie talk 18:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see But Kajol filmography, Preity Zinta filmography, Madhuri Dixit filmography – all written by you tells a different story.Krish | Talk 18:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, they don't tell a different story. Zinta's filmography has a variety of sources. Besides, it is not about me but this article. -- Frankie talk 18:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Look, I have asked what I believe should be done. Just because you don't agree with me on a certain thing does not mean that you lash out on a me or other reviewers (that you disagree with). You need to calm down and asking reviewers to "put an oppose" and asking them to "leave" is not a good thing to do. -- Frankie talk 18:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You have written mostly contemporary actor's and musician's list. It's very hard to write and get sources for an Indian actress who has worked in several films in the 90s. There are not even reviews for most of them. Plus, some reviews dont say anything about her role, some dont say anything about the director and so on. There is not much information available for most of her films. That's why I'm saying this.Krish | Talk 18:49, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it's not about me and it's up to you whether to resolve them or not. I think reviews on those films can easily be found. Anyway, one of my comments is still unresolved, see my source review. -- Frankie talk 19:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That is not even an issue.Krish | Talk 18:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Atleast add those sources that are available. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yashthepunisher I will not add or replace any source becasue this is a frivolous point.Krish | Talk 15:42, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then i can't support this nom. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Put an Oppose and leave.Krish | Talk 17:09, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thats it from me. Yashthepunisher (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thank you.Krish | Talk 17:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yashthepunisher and FrB.TG I have tried to replace BH links with others. So I hope you can put your final verdicts here.Krish | Talk 14:29, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. My major concern has been resolved, and i have performed some changes myself. But, please remain patient during a nom, instead of hastily reacting. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Serious sourcing issues outline below. On a side note, disgraceful behaviour above by nominator. "Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make an effort to address objections promptly". Telling a reviewer "Put an Oppose and leave" doesn't quite meet that.

  • Pehla Nasha source doesn't specify her character's name as Avantika
  • Main Khiladi Tu Anari is a special appearance according to your source
  • Sadhu does not specify name of character as Selvi
  • Vijeta director is K. Murali Mohan Rao according to your source
  • Rakshak is a special appearance and the song title per your source is "Shahar Ki Ladki"
  • Anjaane doesn't specify director as Ravi Rai
  • Dus source doesn't specify character name
  • Deewana source specifies her role as "Sexy girl (special appearance)
  • Upendra source doesn't specify character name as Keerthi
  • Khauff source doesn't specify that she made a cameo appearance in song "Naach Baby"
  • Ghaath source doesn't specify that she made a cameo appearance in song "Baba Meri Ye Jawani"
  • Aalavandhan source doesn't specify that it was dubbed into Telugu and Hindi as Abhay
  • Officer source says it's a 2005 film which is incorrect. This Rediff source also disagrees with it on the names of her character.[[2]]
  • Akhiyon Se Goli Maare source says character is Kiran Bhangare
  • Qayamat source doesn't specify cameo appearance in the song "Mujhe Tumse Mohabbat Hai"
  • Police Force source says director is Dileep Shukla
  • Pehchaan source says it's a 2010 film which is incorrect. These sources may help as they give 2005, character name: [[3]], [[4]]. She was also a producer on it. [[5]]
Character name still not present in list.
  • Ek Din Anjaane Mein source doesn't specify character name as Keerthi
  • Sandwich source doesn't specify character name as Nisha S. Singh
Ref needs author.
  • Pandavulu Pandavulu Tummeda doesn't specify character name as Satya
  • Bombay Velvet source doesn't specify that it was a cameo just that she played "Club Singer"
  • Sahib Biwi Gulam doesn't specify her character as "Chhoti Bahu"
  • Tandon judged the second season of Chhote Miyan (2009) [[6]]
  • Also agree with the above editors, this list references too much to one source. Variety of high quality reliable sources should be present. I can understand the nominators worries that 90s film data is going to be hard to find but 2000s film should be more easily sourceable with alternative sources.

Cowlibob (talk) 22:29, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cowlibob Done: Resolved all of your comments. I have replaced few Bollywood Hungama sources for variety. I checked other reviews for her 2000s films. However, some dont say about her character names or have some other problems. Still looking for other sources.Krish | Talk 17:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably should leave those "unknown" roles as empty as they are not unknown, we're just unable to find sources for the role.
  • For the "series of unsuccessful films" highlight some examples
  • It's not clear in the lead which film provided the turnaround after her "series of unsuccessful.."
  • though initially a box office disappointment to performed poorly at box office
  • No source that she played a club dancer in Ziddi
  • "ventured into more serious dramatic roles and turned towards arthouse and parallel cinema". The source doesn't wholly support this: from source "opted for serious roles and offbeat films". Cowlibob (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done.Krish | Talk 19:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the video ref for Bangaru Bullodu not directly linked?
Please elaborate.Krish | Talk 11:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's a Youtube link so why can't we provide the Youtube link for easy verification like you've done for Ref 76. Cowlibob (talk) 14:08, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks.Krish | Talk 14:23, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the 2014 film Pandavulu Pandavulu Tummeda mentioned? It would probably fit better if you mentioned the first film she made when she returned to film acting. Cowlibob (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. She hasn't returened with a full fledged role since her hiatus. It's better now.Krish | Talk 11:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good list. Would have liked to add the resolved comments template but for some reason it breaks. Cowlibob (talk) 22:56, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate note: Still pending a completed source review; looks like FrB.TG has one final point they want addressed so it's not done yet. --PresN 17:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Continue to write more lists but be patient during the nomination. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 16:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If FrB.TG is fine with the source review, then I think we can close this up. --PresN 00:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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