Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of national parks of Sweden/archive1

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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 14:29, 5 July 2009 [1].

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List of national parks of Sweden

Nominator(s): TheLeftorium 21:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/List of national parks of Sweden/archive1

I am nominating this article for featured list status because I've been working on it for a few days and I think it meets the FL criteria now. It is partly based on the featured list List of National Parks of Canada. TheLeftorium 21:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• Question Shouldn't this be "List of National Parks of Sweden" with capital N and P?--Crzycheetah 00:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

These nation park lists seem very inconsistent, some have capitalization, some don't. I think it should be in lower case unless it is used as proper noun.—Chris! _ct 01:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that in the case of List of National Parks of Canada, "National Parks of Canada" is the name of the actual organization, so I figured that was the most suitable title for it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support. I didn't review the references, but besides that, it seems like a solid list. Eklipse (talk) 10:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Support. I noticed no problems when read the list. Ruslik_Zero 14:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Support the capitalization issue is a separate one and doesn't seem to affect the list much as a move will fix that quite easily, hence my support - also color should be accompany with symbols per WP:ACCESS—Chris! _ct 21:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comments

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah

EPA? On the first use of Environmental Protection Agency mention EPA Done "200,000 ha (490,000 acres)" - write hectare in full and link it; link acre, too. Done The first section needs to be renamed. "National parks", maybe? Because "list" is very ambigious; also, there is a list in the second section, too. Done As Chris mentioned, color shouldn't be the only indicator. Done "A river delta in Sarek National Park." - no period is needed Done For the last three captions in the first section, add some info. Be creative! Just the park name is very dull. Done "Dalarna, Gävleborg, and Västmanland County" - Dalarna, Gävleborg, and Västmanland counties Done "Örebro County and Västra Götaland County" - Örebro and Västra Götaland counties Done Same with the location column. When I sort it alphabetically, Örebro County comes last. Same as above. The {{Sister}} template should always be located at the top of the last section in the article. Done Could you also add the English translations for the publishers? Done

• • It's very confusing to see Ängsö National Park listed last. Assuming the list is alphabetical, most readers expect to see it at the beginning, don't they?
    • "ÅÄÖ" are the three last letters of the Swedish alphabet.
      • en.wikipedia.org is an English encyclopedia.--Crzycheetah 05:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
        • Well, I don't know how to fix that. When you sort it alphabetically, Ängsö and Örebro County still comes last.
          • You could try "{{sort|Angso National Park|[[Ängsö National Park]]}}", and move the row to the correct location. That's how it's aphabetized in English. Jafeluv (talk) 09:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
            • Thanks, all fixed. TheLeftorium 10:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Since you added the map, there's a useless horizontal scrollbar. Are you able to fix the template?
    • I don't know what's causing that either. I'll ask Reywas92.

--Crzycheetah 01:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing! TheLeftorium 09:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• Please have titles of the NP articles be consistent. Many links in the table with "National Park" in the title redirect to a title with just the name, like Dalby Söderskog National Park, which redirs to Dalby Söderskog. Please check all of them and move some to include the full name. Unless it's a special exception or is not only an NP, they should all have National Park in the title. All official names seem to include it [2]
  • Done.
    • Great. I think Muddus, Padjelanta, and Stora Sjöfallet could be moved as well, and Sonfjället National Park should be changed to Sånfjället National Park.
      • Yeah, I need to add them to Wikipedia:Requested moves delete them with Template:Db-move first.
        • All done.
• Can we have a map? The article I linked to has a simple numbered map already on WP, and the EPA site has a pretty colored one with names, but I don't know if it's useable.
  • Would a map like the one used here be good?
    • A clickable map? That would be great! You can use File:Sweden location map.svg. I've also worked with these. See Template:Indiana NHLs map, replacing "USA Indiana" with "Sweden". I can help if you get me a set of coordinates. Reywas92^Talk 18:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
      • I'll try to make it look Template:Indiana NHLs map. I have started on it here.
        • I have added the map now.
• Perhaps you could have a link to each NP's site from the EPA.
  • Done.

I don't know. The list is good, but I think that neither this nor the Canadian one is the best it can be. I wrote the FL List of National Monuments of the United States, which has more info. There could be a photo for each NP, but only if that's possible. I would really like a short description of what's actually in the NPs. We've got a nice list of names, but why are they special? Reywas92^Talk 15:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll see if I can add something. Thanks for taking a look! :) TheLeftorium 21:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

All done. TheLeftorium 16:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Support Great job!! Reywas92^Talk 18:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support All looks alright. – (iMatthew • talk) at 02:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose No need to relink Swedish language in lead. You mention World Heritage Sites in the lead but not Protected Area Network Parks. Could you briefly cover what that means please? "is comprised of " is generally considered to be incorrect. "is composed of" or "comprises" are more generally acceptable. "Baltic Sea that is dominated " that is=redundant. "and the waters of " the waters of=redundant. "Deciduous forest surrounded by a 56 meters (184 feet) wide earth bank takes up a large part of the park" doesn't read well to me. Is there a missing "that" after bank? "with abound 30 " about? "meadows rich with flowers " reads like a tourist brochure, not an encyclopedia. " moraine hills that are covered with virgin forest " that are=redundant. " borders to Norway " remove "to" "deep valleys sculpted by the sea" tourist brochure again. 4192 ->4,192 Establishes heading is odd - Date of establishment? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC) All done, thanks for reviewing. TheLeftorium 11:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support nice work. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
• Support - nice to see what you have done with this article in the four years since I last edited it. Fine map. / Fred-J 11:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Please double check your future nominations for plagiarism or close paraphrasing. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Strong Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Plagiarism concerns: The basis of my opposition. These are just three examples picked at random; I'm afraid to look for more: Article: "Garphyttan National Park consists of landscape which has been formed by humans through agriculture and forestry" Source: "Garphyttan national park consists of ancient cultural landscape – land which has been formed by people through agriculture and forestry." Article: "Norra Kvill is a well-preserved ancient forest" Source: "Norra Kvill is something unique - a well-preserved ancient forest" Article: "The park is known for its ancient farm landscape in the archipelago environment, the spring flowers, and the varied bird life." Source: "The foremost sights of Ängsö are the ancient farm landscape in the archipelago environment, the spring flowers and the varied bird life." Dabomb87 (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Other things: "system of protected areas which represent"-->system of protected areas that represent "An additional six parks will be established between 2009 and 2013."-->Six parks will be established between 2009 and 2013. "are covered with broadleaf forest and together only cover approximately 2,000 ha (4,900 acres)." "with around 30 islands located in " "around"-->about I see text copied from the source,: Woah, whoa, hold on a sec. I would never plagiarize a source on purpose. Seriously, I meant to add quotations to the POV-ish sentences but I simply forgot. I will immediately do that where I feel they are necessary and rewrite as much as I can in my own words. TheLeftorium 16:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC) I'm not saying you did it on purpose, only that this is a serious issue that needs to be fixed. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Alright. "Plagiarism" concerns have been taken care of: [3] (I think there's some copyediting in there too). TheLeftorium 17:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC) The rest has been fixed as well (though I'm not sure what you mean about "I see text copied from the source", as I can't find anything else that has been copied from the source). Thanks for taking a look! TheLeftorium 17:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Comment I had to remove most of those quotation marks. Although they are the same words the source used, they should be used as paraphrases, not quotes. You can quote a sentence, but not just a generic word. Quotation marks around a single word are misconstrewed as scare quotes and are taken the wrong way. Either just write it as a paraphrase that happens to use one of the same words, or find a synonym. Reywas92Talk 18:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC) That I did not know. I have reworded the sentences so that they don't sound too much like the source. :) Thanks, TheLeftorium 18:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Comment There's a dead link (check the toolbox to your right). I'll try to revisit today or tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC) "used as a landmark for seafarers" Can this be rephrased? It is the exact wording as that used in the source. Further spot checks revealed no problems. Dead links need to be resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC) Done, thanks! TheLeftorium 10:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

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