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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:51, 27 January 2011 [1].

List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England[edit]

List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because this is the next in a series of lists of redundant churches under the care of the Churches Conservation Trust, following the recently promoted List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands and List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England. The first two paragraphs in the lead are identical to those in the other lists. The third paragraph and the rest of the text has been copyedited. The format is the same as that used in the English Midlands list. All the churches in the list are linked to articles; all the photographs have alt text.Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In the third paragraph you refer to Yorkshire as a county. Yorkshire is not a current county and it would be better to refer to the individual current counties of the East Riding of Yorkshire, North Yorkshire, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire. Keith D (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nice point, thanks. Done (except for the East Riding, where there are no churches preserved by the CCT).--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - Note A most notably needs a reference. Afro (Talk) 13:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Hassocks5489 Support Another good-looking list in this series. Here are some initial comments; I will check ALT text etc. when I get home from work...

Lead
  • Everything fine here.
Individual churches
  • Linked
  • Corrected
  • I agree. Done
  • Becconsall Old Church: a new church was opened with the same dedication, but the blurb doesn't say what this dedication was.
  • Dedication to All Saints added
References
  • As you only have one Pevsner book dated 2002 in the bibliography, you can reformat the date from 2002b to 2002. This may also fix the problem with the Harvnb link on ref [101]; when I click on it, it doesn't take me to the Bibliography section. (All other Harvnb links work.)
  • "b"s deleted. The Harvnb link failed to work because of a space after "Pevsner", which has also been deleted.
  • Refs [1], [2] and [3]: for consistency, replace . Retrieved with , retrieved.
  • This was a problem arising from the use of the "cite web" template. Sorted by changing to "citation" template, which has made it consistent.
External links and dablinks
  • Many thanks for spotting those wrinkles; all sorted now, I think.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bit of a problem... sorry! I've just cross-checked against the CCT list [2], which like this list has 49; unfortunately it's a slightly different 49. For some unaccountable reason, they have forgotten to include St Andrew's Church, Shotley in the listing (although it does exist on the website); you have correctly picked it up, and that's fine. There is a 50th church, though: St James's, Toxteth (listed here). I see from the article that the church has recently come back into use with an Anglican congregation; nevertheless it does still seem to be in the CCT's care, assuming that webpage is correct. If this has changed, and the CCT no longer look after it, a note "C" in the Notes section explaining the situation would be needed.

All coordinates and sorting are fine, by the way, and I will correct one or two ALT text typos. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. Although it re-opened for regular worship in May 2010, it is still vested in the CCT, according to their latest Annual Review (of which I have a copy). So I've added it, upped the total to 50, and, as it is rather unusual in this respect, I've added a sentence at the end of the lead. (As a matter of complete irrelevance, I happen to pass this church every time I go into Liverpool.) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just one small inconsistency now; sources I've found (mainly through Googling the architect's name, and also this CCT document which appears to be hosted on somebody's self-published website) identify him as Cuthbert Bisbrowne. This name also appears in the article. I didn't just go in and change it in case Pollard & Pevsner name him as Charles. I've seen a few architect name inconsistencies in the Sussex volume! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's Cuthbert. I blame a minor virus infection for mis-typing it. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear—get better soon! Everything now looks in order, and I have marked as Support. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note. I've moved St Mary's Church, Lead, to St Mary's Chapel, Lead, reflecting the weight of opinion that this has always been a chapel rather than a church.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I tweaked one hyphen to an en-dash in a reference, but that was all I could find to do! Good work, once again. BencherliteTalk 12:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments late to the party so forgive me if I repeat things already discussed.
  • Table caption doesn't mention notes (but I'm not sure it's that important, just an observation).
  • Caption expanded. Does this work?
  • Not going to get in the car and get a photo of St John the Baptist in Pilling?!
  • No! One day someone will, and fill the gap.
  • "a group of Friends" explain/link this.
  • Expanded, which should make it clear
  • "becoming Transitional." to a non-expert this is unclear.
  • Linked
  • "(71.93 m)" way over-precise for me. 72m is fine.
  • Fixed
  • It may be my eyes deceive me but 1862–63 and 1845–46 look like they have different dashes... (probably my eyes).
  • Not sure if I've changed it, but they're both n-dashes now.
  • "Scheduled Monument" seems overcapitalised. Our own article thinks it's a regular noun, so just "scheduled monument" would do...
  • Fixed
  • Look out for the overlinking in the Bibliography section (YUP, Pevsner)
  • Fixed

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I found it mildly counter-intuitive that the Name column actually sorted by the "town or village", not by the name of the church.
  • I personally wouldn't have a problem with this being unsortable, otherwise by the Saint I think. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not all the churches have dedications, so sorting by saint is not feasible; town or village is counter-intuitive, so the column is now unsortable.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps I've missed this before but "Date" seems an odd heading when usually it's years only, and often just era (now that really is picky..)
  • So, what's best? Period or year of earliest construction? But that makes a rather big title. Ideas/consensus please.
  • Sorry those were not alternatives (should have put the sentence in quotes). So I have used "Period or year", and expanded Note B to explain it more fully.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is an interesting, comprehensive and well-illustrated list with enough information on each church to whet the appetite to visit the article for each individual church. (It also contains one of my favourite churches:-))--J3Mrs (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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