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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Fiona Apple[edit]

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Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This list was previously promoted to FL status only to be demoted for failing to meet 3b. However, the list has since been expanded, and because I believe it still meets FL criteria I am happy to re-nominate. (Note: I currently have another list nominated for FL status, but since it has already received four support votes I believe my second nomination is acceptable.) I am happy to address any concerns that may arise during this nomination process. Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:43, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question: How much weight should year-end lists be given? You'll notice that in the "Other recognitions" section, I have included some year-end list rankings for each of her albums. You'll also notice on the article for The Idler Wheel... that the album has actually been placed on many more year-end lists. Perhaps album-specific year-end rankings should be removed from this list of awards and nominations? This would leave other list rankings for select songs of Apple herself (Best Female Performer, etc.) Ideally, would these album-related rankings appear here or on the appropriate album articles? If removed, this would essentially leave the more generic list placements such as "Hottest Album Cover", Academy Award shortlist, etc.--Another Believer (Talk) 00:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed year-end "best of" list rankings for her albums. What remains are recognitions spanning longer time frames (best of the 2000s, etc.) and other list rankings associated with Apple herself. Pardon me for using this page for my own inner dialogue! --Another Believer (Talk) 15:21, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Ruby 2010/2013 20:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Firstly, well done with this list! Sorry it's taken me so long to look it over. You might think about asking some other editors to review it, as it's been sitting here for a while.

  • I've looked at other musician award FLs for further improvement ideas and came up with a few recommendations: input Apple's main genres (as seen with Any Winehouse) into the first or second sentence and consider adding some information on charting (like with the list on Norah Jones).
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think the lead could be pushed into three paragraphs with the inclusion of the above information (I have a slight OCD thing with evenly spaced paragraphs). :) But these are merely my thoughts, feel free to disregard! Ruby 2010/2013 18:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ruby. I added some chart statistics to the lead, along with a genre (pop rock, according to Allmusic). Her albums have been placed on so many lists, that I think it would be almost arbitrary to select some listings but leave out others... and perhaps those details would be better off in the album articles themselves? Two paragraphs remain in the lead, but they are more evenly weighted, if that helps! --Another Believer (Talk) 15:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I support the promotion of this list. The content and prose are solid, and the citations are reliable and correctly formatted. Ruby 2010/2013 20:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

;Comments Support

Resolved comments from Underneath-it-All (talk)
  • The article looks great, but just some small things to take care of :)
  • In the MTV references please add Viacom Media Networks as a publisher as well. And Time Warner for CNN and Entertainment Weekly.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the lead write: 6 → six (WP:MOS)
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other than these small things, the article is well referenced and written. Great work! – Underneath-it-All (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Toa Nidhiki05 (talk)
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  • I have an issue with the use of the Allmusic citation to define genre. Allmusic uses the generic pop/rock label for all pop and rock artists, creating the peculiar situation of a death metal band like Children of Bodom being grouped with a pop singer like Katy Perry. Additionally, Allmusic lists far more genres than just indie pop and pop rock. I believe genre should probably just be omitted entirely, save something generic like 'alternative', since the Allmusic citation supports the singer/songwriter claim.</s?
  • I changed it to read "Fiona Apple is an American pop singer-songwriter. Allmusic says "popular alternative" and "pop rock", among others, so I think "pop" is most appropriate. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prose is excellent.
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't find much else to fault. Good job here. Toa Nidhiki05 01:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support because issues were fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 03:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from - Vivvt (Talk) 16:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Vivvt:
  • "She has released four studio albums:" - a semicolon (;) would be appropriate than colon (:)
For a list? I've never seen a list of works followed by a semicolon. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "released through Clean Slate Records/Work Records." Need to mention what are these in a word, like record label or something? Not everybody knows them.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "(Extraordinary Machine...reached number three)." No need to put them in parenthesis.
What would you recommend otherwise? I would prefer to leave as is, but if you feel strongly or if another reviewer agrees. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to fork it into another sentence. You can take second opinion on this though. - Vivvt (Talk) 13:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Added semicolon, since these two sentences go together. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Overall, Apple has received six awards from 23 nominations." I believe her career is not over yet, so you can mentioned till which year.
The sentence is in present tense: she "has" received. "She received" would imply an end to her career. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Though you are argument is "grammatically correct", it does not harm if add year to the sentence. I believe, it does not sound deteriorating as well. - Vivvt (Talk) 13:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sentence now reads: "As of 2013, Apple has received six awards from 23 nominations." --Another Believer (Talk) 16:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: If all these awards are prominent and notable, why do they not have articles? - Vivvt (Talk) 03:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Because someone has not started them yet... :) --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Haha... "Technically correct answer". - Vivvt (Talk) 13:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking time to review this list. Please let me know if you have other comments or remaining concerns. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:41, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support All of the above issues are fixed. All the best and Good Job! - Vivvt (Talk) 16:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SchroCat (talk)

Comments by Schrocat Billboard Music Video

  • The pre-table blurb refers to "Sleep to Dream" and "Fast as You Can", but neither are linked, although they are linked in the subsequent table.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

California Music Awards

  • Similarly, this is the first mention of When the Pawn... outside the lead, but is unlinked in the pre-table blurb (and yet linked within the table).
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These are minor points only. The lead reads well and I get a good idea of what is to follow. The only other suggestion I would make is for you to consider using {{Tooltip|Ref.|Reference}} for the reference column (see List of works by H. C. McNeile for the result). Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks again! --Another Believer (Talk) 16:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. My very minor concerns all addressed. - SchroCat (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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