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The list was promoted 20:19, 30 March 2008.

List of Super Bowl champions[edit]

It is a nicely done list, and is very informative. It also seems to meet all criteria. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 16:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The article was recently delisted over issues like a lack of citations (ie. Teams with no Super Bowl appearances), as well as the inclusion of the "Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins" and "Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts" sections. -- Scorpion0422 16:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm going to go add some. Thanks, - Milk's Favorite Cookie 17:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • See Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Super Bowl champions/archive1 for various issues regarding the list. --Orlady (talk) 17:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Could one of you make a "to-do" list below, so it will be easier to see and check off what I've done and not done? Thanks, - Milk's Favorite Cookie 17:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • It appears that you are actively working on adding more sources, so it's premature to comment on the remaining unsourced details. However, note that there are unresolved issues related to the scope of the list. In particular, the inclusion of "Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins" and "Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts" sections has blurred the scope of the list. It's also not entirely obvious that "Super Bowl appearances" (by team) belongs in this list of Super Bowl champions. --Orlady (talk) 19:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]
            •  Done I moved them to separate articles. I added references to the list, and will see what else I can do. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 20:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • I significantly improved the list. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 23:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • Nice work so far. Two comments: (1) I have not verified this comment against the WP guidelines/policy, but I think the inline external links in the table should be converted to inline callouts to references or footnotes. (2) I repeat my earlier concerns about the need for sources for the "notes" on stadium history. Sources are needed for statements such as (but not limited to) "Miami Gardens was incorporated as a suburb of Miami in 2003" and "Qualcomm Stadium was originally known as San Diego Stadium and Jack Murphy Stadium." --Orlady (talk) 00:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  •  Done The external links should stay. I have seen this on several other FL's and not only that, but they are all from the same "basic" website, which is already used as a reference. If you click on any random two and compare them you will know what I mean. Thanks, - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                    • Sorry, but the referencing for the stadium locations and names is only partly done. There are several facts in those notes that still aren't supported by citations. --Orlady (talk) 03:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)  Done[reply]
                    •  Done The "Wild Card Qualifier" cannot be cited. It's stated if the team was a WCQ on the external links. Thanks, - Milk's Favorite Cookie 13:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Thanks for fixing the issues that caused this list to lose its featured status. --Orlady (talk) 03:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

* "Prior to the 1970 merger of the American Football League and the NFL, the two leagues met in a championship game" I would make it World Championship game, to be consistent with the header that follows.

  • Is it "AFL-NFL World Championships", or "World championships", or "world championships"

* Why is it "Miami-South Florida", instead of "Miami, Florida"? * On that note, why use "Los Angeles-Los Angeles Metro" and "Pasadena-Los Angeles Metro". They're both incorporate as cities, and eveyone out here calls them simply "Los Angeles" and "Pasadena". I dont think anyone uses "Los Angeles Metro", apart from perhaps governmental offices and the Metro system (but that has a different meaning: Los Angeles Metro) The other thing that muddies the waters is that the Greater Los Angeles Metro, which incorporates the Counties of LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernadino and Ventura is different to the "Los Angeles Metro", officially "Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana Metropolitan Area", which includes only LA and Orange counties. :I still don't see why it needs to be "Pasadena-Los Angeles". It isn't. Also, Glendale now appears as "GLendale" -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Same for Pontiac. It's a city in it's own right. Id prefer to see all the cities as "City, State". -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • And similarly "Glendale-Phoenix Metro", "Tempe-Phoenix Metro" and "Stanford-San Francisco Bay Area". They're all cities in their own right.
  • There's two }} floating around in the notes section.

-- Matthew | talk | Contribs 16:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - Milk's Favorite Cookie 21:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Heh, you're probably getting real annoyed with me by now, but all locations should include the state for consistency. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 05:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • The references should use {{Cite web}} templates so they show up in the References section. In-line links shouldn't be used in featured content.
    • Avoid use of small fonts because it prejudices against those with visualisation issues.
    • I'd consider splitting the score into separate columns and then making the tables sortable. You've got super-over-wikilinking of the teams already so it lends itself to being a sortable table.
    • The AFL-NFL World Championships section doesn't have references like the NFL Championships section. Why not?
    • Put (NFL) after first expansion of the acronym so it's clear what you mean when you use NFL later on.
    • Same with AFL.
    • "the merger in" - this isn't clear what merger to the non-expert. Spell it out.
    • Is www.city-data.com really a RS? It looks like school project!
  • So oppose for now, but there's definitely a good chance for the promotion should these concerns be addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • You haven't expanded AFC or NFC or AFL before you use them.
    • As for the sortable table, a very different subject but a list I'm working on Colleges of the University of Cambridge has a sortable table, it allows you to list each column in ascending or descending order, so if you did split the scores you could list according to highest score/lowest score etc, list per winning team name and so on. It's not essential but it's something worth considering since you've wikilinked every instance of every team. If you don't intend to make the list sortable then you should unlink subsequent uses of each team name after the first one.
    • Don't just say "merger" - say "AFL-NFL merger" so non-experts know what merger you're referring to.
    • Consider centrally aligning the reference column.
    • City-Data.com or City-data.com? And is this a WP:RS?
      • I would say not, given this statement at the bottom of each page: "Information is deemed reliable but not guaranteed." and "City-data.com does not guarantee the accuracy or timeliness of any information on this site. Use at your own risk". Also on the Contact Us page, "Please note that a lot of content on our site is user generated. For example, city photos, forum messages, city facts, and business profiles are all submitted by visitors". -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 14:33, 28 March, 2008
    • [46] needs the right title (Pasadena, California I suspect).
    • So, still holding out before I can support. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Final comment I'm afraid I still don't believe you can use the City-data.com as an WP:RS as Matthew pointed out, it says itself that its reliability is unconfirmed... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    •  Done - Milk's Favorite Cookie 16:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Support, once the concerns of Rambling Man are addressed. The photo of the Lombardi trophy is excellent. Also the formatting is very nice. MrPrada (talk) 05:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Support Reference issues now fixed, all other concerns also addressed. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 16:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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