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The list was promoted 23:26, 6 April 2008.

List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Hertfordshire[edit]

Rudget (talk) and I have been working on this list extensively for a little over a month now, and we both feel that it is now ready for FLC, and that it meets the featured list criteria. I (and I'm sure Rudget will, too) address any issues which may be raised in the discussion as soon as possible. Thank you for your time. Qst (talk) 16:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this list is based off the Greater London and Somerset lists. Qst (talk) 18:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) (aka Mr Boring)

Okay, cool list, big ticks, interesting reflist. My comments...

  • Avoid links in the bold lead per WP:LEAD#Bold title.
  • "...Hertfordshire, which is part of Eastern England...." - it's a county in England isn't it?
  • Consider including a map of Herts to provide context to the description you have in the lead.
    • I was going to do this, but it would impede on the table below it. Rudget. 18:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Only thing is that a non-expert wouldn't have any context. In fact I'd support a map over the current image. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Okay, what about this image? Qst (talk) 19:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • That's a good start. I was sure there was a more Eastern England version of that map? If not then fine, but I do think the context for non-expert readers is more important than, dare I say, an image of a footpath...? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • 8*Yeah, when you put it like that...you're right. Okay, done. Qst (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "For other counties, see List of SSSIs by Area of Search." - perfect for See Also section, not for inclusion in the lead.
  • Numbers below 10 should be spelled out - 6=six etc.
  • Images should be sized per WP:MOS#Images.
  • The caption in the lead image is a fragment so it doesn't need a full stop.
  • Reduce the size of the ticks, to the near minimum for me.
  • You have A–D and then F-O, en-dash or hyphen?! Plus, the titles could be better anyway.
  • Consider forcing the column widths the same for all tables for consistent look and feel.
  • Will the non-linked places ever get articles? (just a question really)
    • Probably, yes - I'm slowly working through creating them. Qst (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Reason for Designation" - why not lower case designation?

A few things to look at. Let me know when you're done. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • You've got " 1,634km²" fully wiklinked to square km. Use the {{convert}} template to add acres as well and, if required, wikilink sq km after that. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but could you or Rudget do that - I just cannot get my head around the syntax. :( Qst (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. I've done it to acres. Rudget. 11:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support my major comments dealt with, quickly and effectively, good work guys. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Looks like TRM covered most of it already, but

  • I'd rather have it as one continuous link, rather than broken up A–E, F–O etc. I'm sure there's still a way of creating a link anchor so that they an A-Z Contents table can be used.
  • Who was notified? The area, the people in charge of the area, local residents, etc
    • The actual SSSIs, they were notified (i.e similar to being designated). Rudget. 11:06, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • This doesn't mean notified as in being told of a situation, it means the site was notified by government. Qst (talk) 15:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:10, 25 March, 2008 03:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well done -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:30, 27 March, 2008

Resolved stuff from Crzycheetah

Comment The Somerset list that you used lists 126 sites and every one of them has an article here at Wikipedia. On the other hand, Hertfordshire lists only 43 sites, 13 of which don't have their own articles. If I were a Hertfordshire resident, I'd feel disrespected. If 13 of those sites had articles, I'd feel that this list "exemplifies our very best work". Right now, though, there is still room to make this a better list. By the way, populate the Category:Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Hertfordshire at least.--Crzycheetah 21:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to be honest - I don't think it matters. One can easily look up on the external website, and I don't think its necessary to create lots of links. Other lists of similar sorts have passed with the sites linked to the actual village/town where they are located, so I don't see any reason why this should be treated differently, to be honest. Qst (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since most of the FLs have all sites linked, to be honest, I don't see any reason why this should be treated differently either. If one can easily look up on the external website, then why create this whole table? Just put the external links and you're good to go!--Crzycheetah 22:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If we did create those that are not linked, would they meet notability? As far as I can see, the not linking of a few articles is of no difference, as Qst notes above, similar lists have passed with less. Rudget. 14:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What's the difference between Ashwell Springs and Amwell Quarry? Why is one notable and not the other? If they're really non-notable, then link it to the village/town it's located in. The links should be there. Plus, whenever you have time, could you go over the links again to check whether it's linked to the right page? Westwood Quarry, for example, is linked to a disamg. page.--Crzycheetah 21:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay; apologies for the late reply, I missed this in my watchlist. Anyways, I've fixed the disambig/incorrect links, linked to the location where these sites belong (if the page exists, that is,) so I've done everything I can, even though there are still some unlinked data there. I hope everything is to your liking now. Qst (talk) 19:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've had the same problem, apologies. I just did a little more after I saw Qst in my watchlist. I've pipelinked a few more places, I should get some more done. Rudget (review) 19:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Westwood Quarry is still linked to a disamb. page.--Crzycheetah 20:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Qst (talk) 00:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(→)I found out that Westwood Quarry is located in Westwood, Wiltshire. I suggest creating Westwood, Wiltshire article and link Westwood Quarry to it. All villages and towns are notable, especially, there are three articles that already have a link to Westwood, Wiltshire.--Crzycheetah 05:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's a different village. Hertfordshire is quite some distance from Wiltshire, but the Westwood Quarry page is done. Rudget (review) 20:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There are less than 1/3 of the SSSIs that have no links, which is satisfiable for me.--Crzycheetah 21:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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