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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:42, 9 May 2012 [1].

List of New York Yankees owners and executives[edit]

List of New York Yankees owners and executives (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This list has been structured similarly to List of Philadelphia Phillies owners and executives, which recently passed FL. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "The GM controls player transactions, hiring and firing of the coaching staff, and negotiates with players and agents regarding contracts" - use the same verb form throughout this sentence (Parallelism (grammar)).
  • "George Steinbrenner headed a 12-man group which bought the team." - when did this happen?
  • Use the same date format for retrieval dates throughout the sources.
  • Why is "The Baseball Cube" a reliable source?
  • Alt text for Brian Cashman does not match the picture.
  • Alt text for the Jacob Ruppert plaque picture is just a rewording of the caption
  • Add alt text for the images of Gabe Paul and Lou Piniella.

Jujutacular (talk) 20:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Grammar fixed, Steinbrenner sourced, same date format used. Will fix alt text. "The Baseball Cube" is a reliable baseball statistics site. However, I used those sources when this table used to have statistics, so I'm beginning the process of finding better news sources to replace them. Also, some sources used go to BR Bullpen, which is a wiki and a no-no. I'm in the process of changing those to appropriate sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources have been fixed. I assume we can agree Baseball Reference is a reliable source of data relating to playing and managerial careers. Limited partnership has been wikilinked, alt text fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Jujutacular (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Not sure why General Manager is a proper noun.
  • "following his behavior " needs explanation.
  • " limited partners," what's a "limited partner"?
  • " as control person of " is that a general manager or something else? I have never heard the phrase "control person"...!
  • Ref -> Ref(s).
  • "commonly referred to as "The Boss"." reference please.
  • "served as field manager and General Manager in 1988." again, any reason why field manager (what is that, by the way?) and General Manager should be capitalised differently?
  • "Gabe Paul was General Manager of the " same thing...
  • Check for WP:DASH violations, like ref 19.
  • Don't SHOUT as you do in the title of ref 10.
  • New York Times or The New York Times... the latter I think, but be consistent.
  • Time Magazine is a work so should be in italics.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:14, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just a quickie, New York Times should be The New York Times. Will re-review in due course. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • D'oh, I know that, just missed it. I'll fix and see if there are any other minor things I've missed. Thanks. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Always a sad day when I oppose a Yankees-related page, but I don't think the sourcing is up to par, among other issues. Overall this feels a little underdeveloped.
  • "Jacob Ruppert purchased the team in 1915. Larry MacPhail was forced out of the Yankees ownership group following his behavior after the 1947 World Series." First, this is extremely awkward to read as one sentence has nothing to do with the other. Second, Ruppert was only a co-owner, as the list itself indicates; Huston was the other co-owner. Third, for what behavior was MacPhail removed?
    • There still isn't anything on how Ruppert wasn't the only one who bought the team at that time. I believe that is relevant, if the sale is worthy of mention in the prose (which I believe it is). Giants2008 (Talk) 22:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • On it. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done. I've beefed up the description of the timeline of Yankees owners, including Huston, Topping, Webb, and CBS through its sale to Steinbrenner. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • From ref 6, the quote does not show up as a quote in the New York Times story, and it does not what is presented there, which is "nothing more limited than being a limited partner of Steinbrenner's." That's closer to how I remember the quote being said, from when I've heard it.
  • The lead could say something about the general managers, other than what they do. There have been more of them than owners, yet they get almost no representation in the lead. This is what I'm talking about when I say that I believe this is underdeveloped.
  • In ref 1, the publisher (Baseball America) should be italicized, in addition to the one TRM mentioned.
    • The above issue is fixed, but new ref 52 needs a similar fix. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Weird. I guess I changed the reference but forgot to change the source in the cite template. It's fixed now. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The all caps in ref 10 should be removed, and the hyphens in the title should be converted into a dash.
  • Time for the major concern: source reliability. I also question Baseball Cube, and the Baseball America database accepts user submissions, so I'm not sold on that either. Given that almost half of the total references are to these two sources, it leads me to have serious doubts about the list as a whole. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, hopefully I can prevent you from opposing a Yankee-related page. I just need a little time, but I feel that I can address those concerns, including improving the sources from statistics pages (and pages that accept user submissions, I was unaware that BA works that way). Tuesday is probably the day I'll have time to really go in depth on these comments. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I fixed the McMullen quote with a source, fixed up all the BA and BR Bullpen sources, and altered the lead based on the above linked Phillies list, moving some prose to the owner and GM sections, so this should be good for a re-review. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see supports from four users. Shouldn't this list be promoted? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see two supports and two sets of resolved comments from two of the FL directors. Perhaps engage folks from the baseball project to come over and have a look? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. I interpreted your resolved comments as supports. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support List is clear, concise and has all the necessary sources. Looks good to me. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:31, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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