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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 07:46, 15 September 2010 [1].

List of Major League Baseball hitters with four home runs in one game[edit]

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Nominator(s): Staxringold talkcontribs 04:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All fixed up for a nice off-the-beaten-path baseball list. I have a couple questions for you guys: Staxringold talkcontribs 04:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • 1. The name. Would you prefer something like List of Major League Baseball players to hit four home runs in one game? If nothing else List of MLB players follows the standard of many other lists (rather than "hitters". A pitcher could technically do it anyways).
  • 2. Should a ref to the box score for the game be included where available (box score archives exist for about 60% of these)?
  • Jeez, feels like just yesterday I found this page and gave it a wikitable. Here you went and fixed it up properly. (1) Yes, (2) Yes. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Haha, I hadn't even noticed! Feel free to add your name to the list as you did a lot of the technical work on the table, obviously. I'll wait on more responses before making the changes. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was wondering if you were stalking my contributions page. :P Looks like you did a good job, I'll take a closer look though. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. I like the current title better than the one you propose above. Ucucha 11:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from KV5
  • Like the current title as well.
  • Superscript daggers.
  • Any reason for a fixed table width? I don't think an unfixed width would be an issue here, and the three entries that are broken over two lines on my monitor would be solved.
  • Originally I copied the ref column with a set width and if one column has a set width it auto sets the table to 100% (at least on my screen) unless you define the table size. I'll leave it totally unfixed. Staxringold talkcontribs 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it worth marking losses in the table, since you mention it in the lead?
  • "Mark Whiten for example," - comma after Whiten
  • "four homer game" - four-homer becomes a compound adjective here.
  • Remove "ALL CAPS" in reference in favor of title case per MOS. — KV5 • Talk • 22:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support — KV5 • Talk • 12:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles 17:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments Few minor nit-picking or thinking aloud things.
Nice list, either title would be fine with me, in the highly-unlikely event a pitcher ever accomplishes the feat, a move may need to be pursued, but I don't think it is necessary now.
  • Yeah, the pitcher thing I feel is secondary. My main concern is (at least as far as I know) most of these lists are List of MLB players, not hitters, such as players with a .400 OBP). Staxringold talkcontribs 17:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to rearrange it not to start the article with a number?
"Mike Cameron hit his four on May 2, 2002" Don't we normally put a comma after the year in this format?
Score, why does 8–11 sort before 8–9, yet 15–2, 15–4, and 15–7 sort in that order?
I fixed this. — KV5 • Talk • 12:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Opposing Team, should the Boston and Milwaukee Braves sort together, since they are the same team?
Same thing for the Brooklyn and LA Dodgers in the team field.
  • With all past baseball lists we've avoided doing this, I'm just following that style. For the Triple Crown lists, for the pennant/WS champ lists, for older awards lists, anything that goes far enough back to hit franchises under multiple names (Expos/Nationals, Senators/Twins/Rangers) or locations (Brooklyn/LA, New York/San Fran) we let them sort by the actual name. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Courcelles 04:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support No need to break convention on the sorting. Courcelles 17:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*"have resulted in other MLB single-game records as a result " result, result...
  • "also from such a game" do you mean "in the same game"?
  • "5 have been elected. " five...
  • Ref 6 says "Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A)" and "Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.", not "have played at least 10 major league seasons and been retired five seasons."... you're quoting, so at least quote precisely.
  • " in the past 5 seasons a" five.
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Call me controversial, but I'd like more than one source to say that this achievement (4 home runs in one game) is notable...
  • "$4000 " - $4,000.
  • That's created by a template for adjusting for inflation, dunno how to make it do that. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wouldn't I then have to update every year to check for inflation though? That's the point of the template. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can fix the template; just give me a few. — KV5 • Talk • 19:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. — KV5 • Talk • 19:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Picky, but according to whom were some of these "milestone games"?
  • It's another way of saying 4 home run game, since we're talking about the milestone of hitting 4 HR in a game. Trying to avoid sounding repetitive. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand that. No big deal I suppose, but one could argue you're the one saying these games are milestones... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suppose, but that's a pretty funky issue. I understand we want to stay NPOV, but I don't think this really goes into POV. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Borderline. I'm just here to be a pain in the British arse, so I'll leave it. I'm sure your compatriots will embrace it and ignore my plaintive cries... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Non-expert warning, what do you mean by "Warren Spahn allowed the first of..."?
  • Warren Spahn was the pitcher who pitched the ball which Adcock hit for his first HR on his 4 HR day. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cool but to a non-expert (e.g. any one of several hundred million non-baseballers!) that phraseology is difficult to follow... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a pretty random fact, could be removed altogether but what would make it clearer for you? "Warren Spahn was the pitcher who yielded the first of..."? Staxringold talkcontribs 19:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's just a bit of a tiny issue with the technicalities of baseball I suppose.. things you (and other baseball fans) take completely for granted are subtle and indecipherable (particularly to non-US readers) so it's a case of finding something that meets a universal audience I suppose. Maybe go back to your first definition, i.e. "Spahn pitched the ball which Adcock hit for his first home run..."? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which bit of ref 19, ref 21, indicates these two players are still active?
  • For Cameron it's easy, his 2011 contract status shows he's signed and he's playing in 2010. Delgado's tricky as he's injured. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Technically the B-Ref page cites the fact, because it doesn't list a Final Game (as it does for all retired players). I could add a random citation to show he's still on the roster, just recovering from injury, but that seems odd to do. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a minor sore point for me because I've been asked to prove that "current" EPL footballers are still "current" and it's, once again, an arse-pain. Suggest something that will convince me (nothing random) and I'll buy it. 100%. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, I know what you mean. Delgado is one of the worst case scenarios in this kind of situation, sort of like the issue with Barry Bonds in 2008. He's not signed by anyone, there's a reason to think he won't get signed (Delgado's injuries and surgeries), but he's really still trying to play. See this and this. Since he's not signed to an MLB team currently I'll remove the active status. Staxringold talkcontribs 20:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "Four home runs generate significant offense which generally allow a team to win". "s" needed at end of "allow".
  • Italics needed for publisher of reference 3 (NYT). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support what a great list. Dincher (talk) 00:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Wizardman Operation Big Bear 01:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment:
    • "Shawn Green hit a double and a single along with his four home runs for 19 total bases, an MLB record breaking Joe Adcock's mark of 18, also from a four-homer game." This feels run-on-ish. I'd split before breaking, changing the second part to "It broke Joe..."

That's the only issue I found; once fixed I'll support. (Which reminds me, I should get working on Seerey's bio..) Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done. And there's a silly FT/GT we could eventually put together, players who have hit 4 HRs in a game. :p Staxringold talkcontribs 00:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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