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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by NapHit 02:39, 25 December 2012 [1].

List of Deccan Chargers cricketers[edit]

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Nominator(s): TheSpecialUser TSU and Thine Antique Pen (talk) 10:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it meets the criteria. Previously, it was not promoted as the team got defunct and the article wasn't updated. However, the issues raised previously are now addressed (sorry if I missed anything). TheSpecialUser TSU 10:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Significantly improved since the last time, but there are still some issues.

  • The biggest issue - I thought a lot about this, and I really think that this is an issue - the list is about the players, but the whole second paragraph is about the team. Such stats can be useful for something like List of Deccan Chargers seasons, but certainly not for this list.
Done
  • Another update required - the Hyderabad franchise was sold to Sun TV, and it retained 20 of DC's players
The franchise >> The Hyderabad franchise ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 14:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC) Done[reply]
Done
  • The first ref itself is unreliable.
Done
Done
  • Link ESPNcricinfo at first usage
Done
  • Link The Guardian
Done
Done
  • Link CricketArchive
Done
  • Not sure if this is an issue, but how does the list comes under WP Delhi??
Done
  • Find a better place to add the note.
Done
  • WP Cricket suggests to use Wet Indies, and not Barbados.
Done
  • Kumar Sangakkar???
Done
  • The DC was a part of the 20122009 CLT20. Add something about that.
Done
  • Align the countries column to the left.
Not sure how to do that.
Refer to List of Rajasthan Royals cricketers. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 14:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done, although I think it makes the article look much worse. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 12:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That all for now. and..... Happy Diwali! :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 17:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments and same to you TheSpecialUser TSU 14:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – A look at the lead reveals numerous grammar and prose issues that keep the list from meeting criterion 1 of WP:WIAFL. I urge that a copy-edit be performed by an independent party.

  • In the hatnote on top, "the" before Deccan Chargers should be removed, and I don't see why the category title as a whole couldn't be presented. Also, why are we linking to the current squad here when the team is now defunct?
  • In "for the first season of IPL", add "the" before IPL, perhaps?
  • "in the second season, where the team won the league." "where" should be "when" here.
  • Also add "the" before 2009 CLT20, and spell out the competition's name.
  • "Their last coach, of the team...". "The last coach of the team". In particular, the comma is undesirable.
  • "as the organisers of the league were concerned about player payments; overdue player payments had not been paid." The repetitive use of "player payments" is not effective prose; how about "were concerned about overdue player payments that had not been paid."
  • "in a bid who retained 20 players; they bought is by paying 85.05 crores per year." Poorly written and needs revamping.
  • "Adam Gilchrist was the team's leading run scorer with 1289 runs throughout 48 matches, who now plays for Kings XI Punjab as their captain." The part after the comma should be moved to directly after Gilchrist's name, since it has no relation to the rest of the sentence as it is written now.
  • "by scoring 117 runs of 53 balls." "of" → "on"?
  • "who had played the most number of matches as a player of the team". Would be easier to read as "who had played the most matches for the team".
  • I see another "most number of" that could be written better as just "most" near the end of this paragraph.
  • Why does the third paragraph have multiple instances of "have played"/"have captained" when the team is no longer operating? I'd get rid of "have" in both cases for past tense. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's been two weeks now, and the issues I pointed out remain in the article. If there's no work in the next couple days, I recommend that one of my fellow directors archive this nom. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm extremely sorry for the delay. I was on a vacation but I'm back now. The issues will be fixed by today evening. Thanks! TheSpecialUser TSU 00:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done all TheSpecialUser TSU 14:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thank you for coming back and taking care of these comments, but I won't feel comfortable enough to drop my oppose until Harrias' comments are looked at. He seems to share my opinion that more copy-editing is needed. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:05, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Harrias talk
  • The link to "squad and administration" links to a section that doesn't exist within the article.
  • The hatnote is pretty confusing: "and for the retained Deccan Chargers first-team players, see squad and administration." Would make little sense to people not intricately knowledgeable about the IPL. I think it might be worth removing it altogether.
  • Given that "Deccan Chronicle Holdings Limited" is a company name, and not specifically a reference to the newspaper, I don't think "Deccan Chronicle" should be in italics, but I could be corrected on this point.
  • Does million really need to be linked? Seems like overlinking to me.
  • "..they got disqualified at the group stage." The source doesn't support that they were disqualified: eliminated yes, but not disqualified.
  • "Their last coach of the team.." This doesn't sound right: I think "of the team" is redundant.
  • "..about overdue player payments that had not been paid." Again, this seems to use more words than it needs.
  • What is a crore? In contrast to earlier, I think this does need linking.
  • The second paragraph just reads as a series of bullet points strung together, I think it needs significant work to improve the language to a professional standard, as should be expected in featured material.
  • I don't understand the need for the KXIP abbreviation in the lead: it isn't used again (legitimately) in the article.
  • However, it is incorrectly used in the key: this list has been nominated for a second time without the nominator paying due attention to the article. A heavy copy-edit is still required in my opinion. The key states "Member of the current squad", but there isn't really a current squad as the team has been terminated. On my screen the images are not beside the table, but above because of the widths, creating undue whitespace, the table uses hyphens where it should use endashes, high score is for some reason not sortable, the batting and bowling averages appear under the wrong headings. All in all, this is a long way from being a featured list.
  • Oppose based on the points raised above, and the likelihood that there is more beyond that. Harrias talk 16:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the comment. Most of the issues are fixed by my friend. I'll fix the remaining 2 issues ASAP. Cheers! TheSpecialUser TSU 15:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment where are we with all this? Have the nominators asked the reviewers to come back to check their concerns have been addressed? I'll review the list once I get a response here. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:29, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From my own perspective my comments stand. Some issues have been resolved, but far too many are left outstanding, including some specifically mentioned. Harrias talk 23:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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