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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:51, 27 January 2011 [1].

Grammy Award for Best Reggae Album[edit]

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Nominator(s): Another Believer (Talk) 18:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all FL criteria and closely resembles the other Grammy-related lists that I have promoted to FL status. Thanks, reviewers! Another Believer (Talk) 18:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dab/EL check - There is a dab link and two dead links in the article. GamerPro64 (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No disambig links. Working on replacing dead links... Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced dead links. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "Buju Banton's nomination for the 2010 award sparked controversy and protest from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation due to homophobic lyrics within his music." reference?
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • And GLAAD is "Gay & Lesbian.." (not Gay And Lesbian...)
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rise and Shine (Aswad album) is a dab link.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perry's caption says he won in 2004 but table says 2003.
Done. Good catch! --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The ad, which took " ad->advertisement.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 23 - GRAMMY -> Grammy.
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • And I also thought that Shabba Ranks was similarly decried as a result of blatant homophobia?
Will look into this... --Another Believer (Talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Was possibly nothing directly involved with the Grammys, just something I recall.... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and added two references citing other reggae musicians that have been accused of promoting anti-gay lyrics (Beenie Man, Elephant Man, Vybz Kartel, Shabba Ranks and Sizzla). --Another Believer (Talk) 22:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Of course! --Another Believer (Talk) 22:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment I would delete this gay controversis. Most of the reggae artistis, who are practicing the Rastafari religion, don't accept homosexuality as normal sexuality. It is not notable to add a section, that he wrote homophobic lyrics, it's about the awards.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 08:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If other reviewers agree with you, I will have no problem removing the content. However, I disagree 100%. In my opinion, the fact that GLAAD and the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center placed an advertisement directed at Grammy officials and that the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences responded is relevant to this award. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I agree with Orange Pumpkin on this one-- it definitely warrants coverage, but in the Buju Banton article instead of the Grammy one. The list should be about the award instead of controversies with individual artists. I'd say merge the information there if possible. Nomader (Talk) 06:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's useful to keep it in. This isn't just about the award. We frequently include controversies when discussing awards, this is no different. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think its significant since the G&L groups did urge the Grammy's to denounce the artist. Afro (Talk) 08:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed. If this were just about homophobic lyrics in reggae music and/or Jamaica, or just about Banton then I would not argue for its inclusion. This controversy involved multiple groups, including the Academy. If there is a better way to title the section, I am open to suggestions--I simply thought that "2010 controversy" was most general, and certainly more appropriate than "Buju Banton controversy" or "Homophobia controversy" (or something similar). --Another Believer (Talk) 16:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think keeping it at "2010 controversy" is probably best, it doesn't give a POV slant to the title and it's informative to the reader. Taking out was just my gut, but if other reviewers feel otherwise I'm not really worried about it. Nomader (Talk) 18:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
:*Keep the homophobia stuff
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Starting in 2002, awards were often presented to the engineers, mixers, and/or producers in addition to the performing artists." - source?
The general source (the Academy). I can add the same source as an inline citation, if necessary (though I do not believe I have done so for most of the other Grammy-related lists with featured status. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Winners are not always sourced
General source (by following the instructions, a viewer can easily access a great amount of information, including the award-winning work, performing artists, year, and award recipients). --Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sean Paul needs to be sorted by surname
Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you sort the 'TBD' to the bottom?
Is this a request or a question of ability? I am not aware of a way to force an entry to the bottom. If you are, feel free to let me know and I would be happy to address your concern. Template:Sort and Template:Sortname do not provide answers. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
<span style="display:none">ZZZ</span> will do it Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Done. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking the time to review this list! --Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, you do not need to source the homophobia controversy in the lead, as it is already sourced later on. Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the same, but TRM requested above that a source be included. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, can you take another look at this, please? Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a major problem with citing this in the lead. I think in such controversial (potential BLP) issues, it's better to overcite than to undercite. Multiple independent sources make it even better. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me! --Another Believer (Talk) 22:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per normal, a great list, a really enthusiastic nominator prepared to listen to advice and act on criticism. Exactly the stuff we want at FLC. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your kind words. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since it is a sortable table, "Mind Control – Acoustic" ought to be linked somewhere, even if that's a redlink at the moment. Courcelles 21:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine that details about the album could/would be merged with the existing Mind Control article. Any opposition to linking to the existing article? Should someone choose to create a separate article for the acoustic album in the future, they could certainly update the list. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No objections to that, though my curiosity would like to know how an acoustic version of a prior winning album was able to be 51% new and win the award again... but I might be going into stuff that sources just didn't care about there. Courcelles 21:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps in the sense that the tracks are new recordings, not necessarily of original material. I imagine there are other award-winning albums out there consisting of cover songs that have been newly-recorded. --Another Believer (Talk) 21:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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