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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 15:47, 13 February 2010 [1].

3000 strikeout club[edit]

Nominator(s): Staxringold talkcontribs 07:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is up to snuff. Now I realize I have several FLCs already open (oldest first have World Series champs, Red Sox draft picks, Astros draft picks, and .400 OBPers), but I am trying to review as much as possible also (to keep the process rolling) and I believe the WS champs list has pretty much wrapped up anyways. Just want to keep a steady stream of work going. Staxringold talkcontribs 07:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note The sorting for the innings pitched column does work, it just doesn't seem to like the frac template. If you click it to sort just once it sorts all the IP totals with no frac value into a group regardless of their true order, but if you click it a couple times it properly sorts. Anyone know why? Worst case I could just put sort templates in there with the proper order built in to try and force a sort. Staxringold talkcontribs 07:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. Mm40 (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick Comment In your key you list the first column as Player but your first column is listed as Pitcher. Also Roger Clemus' IP column doesn't have a comma while all the others do.Afro (Not a Terrible Joke) - Afkatk 10:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - "U The batter Walter Johnson struck out for #3000 was Charlie Jamieson, Steve O'Neill, or Stan Coveleski.[3]" I would think it should be "was either Charlie Jamieson, Steve O'Neill, or Stan Coveleski.[3]". Afro (Not a Terrible Joke) - Afkatk 16:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was just wondering another very minor issue, but since Reference #3 is used extensively in the table if it'd be better to switch it to a General reference. Afro (Its More Than a Feeling) - Afkatk
  • I could, if other reviewers would accept that format. I always prefer specific to general refs when possible. Staxringold talkcontribs 16:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed. Apologies, in "fixing" the delimiting on the template title I actually made the "View this template" link point to a non-existent version with a comma. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • If you're delimiting number in the table, you should delimit in the prose too.
  • "16 pitchers in total have reached 3000 strikeouts" - would prefer In total, 16 pitchers have reached 3000 strikeouts
  • "first Walter Johnson while the team was the Washington Senators then Bert Blyleven joined in 1986 with Minnesota" - seems awkward that there's no punctuation here.
  • "within the past 5 seasons" - five
  • "7 pitchers from this club were named amongst the 100 greatest players in MLB history as part of the All-Century Team, 4 of whom were eventually voted as starters for the team by fan vote." - since 7 begins the sentence, the numbers should be changed to seven, one hundred, and four.
  • Is "3000th" necessary in the table headers if it's made clear in the key?
  • Is the table width fixed for a reason?
  • I think ref 3 is fine, personally.

Hope these comments help. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed everything you asked for. I've fixed the table width to allow for the images without overlapping the table on small displays. Staxringold talkcontribs 01:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does the title need to be moved to "3,000"? Just wondering. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wondered about that as well when I delimited the bolded number. Sadly I see no standing FL to use as a reference guide with a potentially delimited title (the only 4 digit #s in titles are years. Damn motorbike races we only have 125, 250, and 500 cc). I'd love someone else's view on this, but I'd happily move it. Staxringold talkcontribs 02:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd think it should be, but I'm fine with either. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support from KV5 (Talk • Phils) 23:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments (being as picky as I dare to be...)
  • Is it 3000 or 3,000? Lead is different from title...
  • "quickest pitcher to 3,000 strikeouts" perhaps "pitcher quickest", just to remove ambiguity that it's not that he pitched quicker than anyone else?
  • " Baseball Hall of Fame.[5][6] Nine of the ten eligible members of the 3,000 strikeout club have been elected to the Hall. Hall of Fame eligibility" - Hall repeats a little too often for my sensitive eyes.
  • "been retired five seasons"[7], - not sure on that ref placement, would prefer post-comma...
  • "he fell just 5 votes " remove just, otherwise it appears (to me) you're trying to sympathise with his plight...
  • Put (MLB) after the Major League Baseball so that we know what you mean when you say MLB.
  • That IP sorting needs to be... sorted.
  • Like I said in the nom, not sure what to do. It just straight doesn't like the sometimes-use of the frac template. I'll try putting in forced sorting. Staxringold talkcontribs 22:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "is one of only two left-handed pitchers" is this explicitly referenced anywhere or do I have to go and find it out from the other sources? (that link's a little harsh but you get my point?)

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's on their B-Ref pages, I'll add an additional ref to them just to make it clear. Staxringold talkcontribs 22:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment I notice that the title was moved from "3000" to "3,000". Note that the MOS accepts both, so the move was not absolutely necessary. I don't care either way, although I think if possible the title should reflect what the majority of the sources call it. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • That varies entirely depending on whether the individual source delimits the numbers or not. Staxringold talkcontribs 05:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fine, but note that there are several other such lists that need to be moved for consistency (e.g. 3000 hit club). Dabomb87 (talk) 16:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Read through the list and saw no major issues, though I'm personally not a big fan of "first...then" sentences. That's my opinion only, so I won't hold it against this particular article. I was hoping to find a free link to the 2005 Chicago Tribune story for use here, but their online archive only goes back to 2006. Oh well. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment "The batter Walter Johnson struck out for #3,000 was either Charlie Jamieson, Steve O'Neill, or Stan Coveleski." We don't use "#" in prose per the MOS, so this sentence needs to be rephrased. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Some of the sentences are not necessarily written exactly as I'd like, but there's nothing really wrong with them, it's just more of a preference issue. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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