Wikipedia:Featured article review/Cambodia

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The article was removed by Joelr31 16:06, 12 April 2009 [1].

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Cambodia

Review commentary

WikiProjects informed. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

previous FAR

Fails a lot of criteria 1c) Citations missing or unformatted POV) Recentism, especially on VN War bombing. Sanitised presentation of politics section, Cambodia while officially a parliamentary democracy really is not, and the fact that the Prime Minister was installed by a Vietnamese army is also not mentioned at all. foreign relations is undue weight on populist riots rather than the big picture

I've been cleaning and updating refs on the article and I'm happy to do more. Last time I checked all links were live and formatted. I'm happy to work to improve the article further. I've seen the possibility of WP:FAR looming since 2007, see article talk for my recent posts on this. Strangely enough the things I would say need fixing with the article are not the same as yours. A bit more detail on what you think needs to be fixed would be helpful. You say it fails a lot of criteria, but give only 2? I'm probably a bit dense but your recentism comment is particularly puzzling for me. Do you think there is too much emphasis on the US bombing or not enough? Should it have less weight because it's (relatively) recent? The comment about the P.M. is not actually correct. When the Vietnamese army came to town to kick out the K.R. (and installed a government) Heng Samrin was the President (not the P.M.) and Chea Sim was his deputy. Hun Sen, the current P.M. of Cambodia, was a lowly foreign minister at the time. The next leader was Pen Sovann in 1981. Various anti-Hun Sen, rabble rousing blogs around the net like to gloss over this part of history, but it's still true. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 10:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

In the "History" section:

• "The region was bombarded by European explorers": What does "bombarded" mean here? - new addition, not accurate - gone
• "Later, failed attempts would be made by Sihanouk and the Khmer Rogue to recapture the Mekong delta." comes before the introduction of the Sihanouk–Khmer Rouge alliance. If included, it should come after. - new addition, not accurate - gone
• When the Vietnam war is first introduced in the text, there should be a brief outline of who was fighting on which side.
• There is some repetition of points, such as the casualty figures from the genocide.
• The comment "Cambodia's natural resources, particularly its valuable timber, are still being exploited by interests from Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, and Australia." apparently contradicts and becomes confused with "the Khmer Rouge were still active in some areas, often supporting illegal timber operations". Are foreigners running illegal timber operations, backed by the Khmer Rouge? DrKiernan (talk) 16:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for those very thoughtful comments and for your own excellent edits to the article. I've been off wiki for a week so haven't been checking my watchlist for a while. I think some of those chunks have been added very recently. I'll try to clean them up today. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I've moved it down because the other FAR coords are wanting to keep a low profile, but I won't close this of course. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Sihanouk made attempts to recapture the Mekong delta before his alliance with the Khmer Rogue. It lists attempts of Cambodian figure(s) attempting to recapture the Mekong Delta not necessary their combined effort to recapture the Mekong delta. Pwordisony (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concerns are citations, recentism and NPOV. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delist, per FA criteria concerns, referencing issues. Cirt (talk) 02:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
• Delist Entire sections are still unsourced. In addition, there is far too much recentism in this article. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 02:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delist I've been expecting this nomination for ages. Terribly undersourced, not Wikipedia's best work. (As much as I hate to see it stripped of its star... *tear*) Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delist per nomination statement. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
• Comment Thanks for all the comments above. I'm willing to spend some serious time referencing the unreferenced and removing more of the inaccurate. I have plenty of good source documents. I posed a couple of unanswered questions about the 'recentism' critique at FAR - it would still be helpful to me if those were answered now. However, this will have to wait until Sunday when I have more time. I'm keen to save this article from delisting, so I really appreciate your specific suggestions to improve the article to meet the current FA criteria. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 09:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Well, for one thing, Cambodia has a long and treasured history. The "History" section of this article covers two millenia in about two paragraphs, while the period from the beginning of Sihanouk's reign to the present is covered in several paragraphs. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 22:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

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