Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Worlds End State Park

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 16:00, 13 June 2008 [1].

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Worlds End State Park

Co-nominators Ruhrfisch and Dincher

We are nominating this article for featured article because we believe that is represents some of the best work that wikipedia has to offer regarding state parks. It follows the model of Black Moshannon State Park which is a featured article. It has undergone an extensive peer review (thanks to Jackyd, VerruckteDan, Ben MacDui, Dtbohrer and Ealdgyth) which is archived on the talk page. Ruhrfisch and Dincher (talk) 12:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment "The "Twenty Must-See Pennsylvania State Parks" list first appeared in early 2004. See "Search Results for Jan 01, 1996 - Nov 14, 2007". Internet Archive Wayback Machine. Retrieved on May 12, 2008." Are we sure about this statement? Archive.org isn't exactly the most reliable source for this. Do we know for sure that the list has only ever existed in online form? But is this note truly necessary? BuddingJournalist 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the copy edits and the comment. I removed the reference in question. Dincher (talk) 13:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I also removed the 2004 date in the text since that was based solely on the removed reference. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support The article seems comprehensive and well-written. However, in places in seems over-linked, with lots of non-valuable wiki-links. Bluap (talk) 17:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much, I will try and cut out the extras and least valuable links over the next few days. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support Yes, comprehensive and well-written. Minor, about footnote format: for footnote 22, which is the Pennsylvania Historic Resource Survey form, should it include as author John Milner Associates, the preparer? Current footnote displays:
  

"Worlds End State Park: Family Cabin District" (PDF). Pennsylvania's Historic Architecture and Archaeology. Retrieved on 10 May 2008.

I think i would prefer to see also preparer name, preparation date, and that this is a Pennsylvania Historic Resource Survey form submission, so it would display:

John Milner Associates (October, 1986), "Pennsylvania Historic Resource Survey: Worlds End State Park: Family Cabin District" (PDF 32 KB). Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission. Retrieved on 10 May 2008.

To get something like that i would adapt the suggested footnote for NRHP documents covered in draft WP:NRHPMOS. FYI, i don't see mention of "Pennsylvania's Historic Architecture and Archaeology" in the document. doncram (talk) 18:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. I added Millner as the author. Thanks again. Dincher (talk) 18:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I updated the ref and used the same format that was used in the recent FA Cogan House Covered Bridge which gives both a link to the Pennsylvania's Historic Architecture and Archaeology site (which is searchable and has some information not on the NRHP form) and to the NRHP form itself. I hope this is OK, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments - Sources look good. I did review them at PR, but I double checked them again here. Links all checked out with the link checker tool. Looks good! Ealdgyth - Talk 18:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for checking them twice! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Accessdates are a bit old aren't they? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dispenser (talk • contribs) 13:40, June 8, 2008

Thanks to Dispenser for updating the link accessdates (they all still worked before), Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "in Montoursville. [7]" — extra space per WP:FOOTNOTE
• "pages 295-297" — use en dash per WP:DASH, and use "pp."
• "until 1895, when" — unlink year per MOS:UNLINKYEARS

Gary King (talk) 03:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for catching these, I believe they have all been fixed now, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments - Disambiguation links: neutralize, warblers, and railroad. Why not put the disambiguation page link at the top instead of the See also section. — Dispenser 13:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Dispenser, I fixed all three links, but I am still not sure I have the correct warblers linked and I moved the disambiguation link to the top per your suggestion. Dincher (talk) 14:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Support Well-written, very interesting, and I find no major objections from a read through. I would like to see use of double references consolidated, but that's not a big deal. Well done. JRP (talk) 17:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks JRP, I will work on consolidating references when I prune the links, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear JRP, I have carefully re-read the references and so has Dincher. While some of the refs are superficially similar, we did not find any that are actually duplicates. Could you please point out the specific double references you saw? Thanks in advance, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support A great article, lots of detail and well referenced. VerruckteDan (talk) 02:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words and support, Dan! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Dan! Dincher (talk) 10:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support. Can you petition the State of Pennsylvania to change the name of the designation of Important Bird Area? I can't read it without thinking of Sam the Eagle announcing it so seriously, imagining many famous and important birds congregated in a dark wood paneled study, drinked aged Scotch. Good article - very well done. You're making Wikipedia lopsided with protected areas in Pennsylvania.--Moni3 (talk) 17:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sam the Eagle scared me when I was a kid! Thanks for the support! Dincher (talk) 17:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your support and a great mental image. My understanding is that IBAs in the USA are designated by the Audubon Society (not the states). It is a goofy name though, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

• Note Please see WP:MOS#Quotations on block quotes and cquote. There are some logical puncutation issues, see WP:PUNC. Words as words should use italics, not quotes (see WP:ITALICS); why are so many names, words, and terms in quotes? There are quote marks everywhere I look. Inconsistency in footnotes, some say p. and others say page. Epbr123 (talk · contribs) may be able to help finish this one up. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks Sandy - I will check these asap. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I believe all of these issues have been addressed. "Twenty Must-See Pennsylvania State Parks" is a direct quote from the PA DCNR, as is "[v]irtually in a class by itself, this wild, rugged and rustic area seems almost untamed."[4] They are both from this web site [2] and although the second is not grammatically a complete sentence, it is punctuated as if it were on the web site, so I left the period in as it is part of the original quote. The remainder of the items in quotations are all direct quotes and not words as words. I believe all of the page issues have been resolved too. Thanks for your careful eye and all you do here. I will ask Epbr123 to double check the article. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Many, many thanks to Epbr123, who has already made several MOS-related changes. Hopefully these edits have fixed the issues Sandy noted. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

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