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The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 15:05, 16 December 2018 [1].

Ragnar Garrett[edit]

Nominator(s): Ian Rose (talk) 09:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Belatedly following on from John Wilton and Reg Pollard, I present another chief of the Australian Army. Like Wagner conceived his Ring Cycle, I seem to be doing things in reverse chronological order. Unlike Wagner, I can stop at three episodes, because Garrett's predecessor is already FA. While we're talking Wagner, one leitmotif unifying the stories of these three chiefs is the Army's short-lived experiment with the pentropic divisional structure -- Garrett enthusiastically initiating it, Pollard reluctantly implementing it, and Wilton mercifully killing it... Any and all comments welcome! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Tim riley[edit]

Meets all the FA criteria in my view. Thoroughly and widely sourced, as well illustrated as one could expect in an article about this period, and in top-notch and highly readable prose. Not the longest FAC I have read, but the text seems comprehensive. Happy to support promotion to FA. Tim riley talk 20:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Tim! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:28, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:53, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks as always Nikki! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tony1[edit]

1a: Support. You know how to do this!

A few things:

  • "it "affected me more than the bombing... I was very sorry to lose Garrett, who served me splendidly over the hectic days of the recent past"." I think there must either be a space before the three ellipsis points as well as after, or a point (if at sentence-end), a space, and the three points, and a final space.
  • born at Northam—more usual to write "in", but I don't mind. Born at Northam Hospital.
  • "He oversaw the brigade's return to Australia prior to its disbandment in March 1946." Well, perhaps we all should be ditching the Latin—me too. Nominator tkbrett, below, linked me to this short vid of the sadly departed David Foster Wallace on a few items he didn't like.
  • In that frame, you might consider "On retiring" rather than "Upon retiring", plain and simple. Tony (talk) 09:03, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Tks for those Tony, I think I've actioned all -- I try to encourage brevity/simplicity in others' writing but seem to use "prior to" almost unconsciously so am happy to be reminded, and I don't know how "Upon" escaped my attention so long... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AustralianRupert[edit]

Support: This looks pretty good to me, Ian. I have a few minor comments/suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 08:25, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • do we know if Garrett had any siblings?
    • ADB says he was a second child, but as that didn't discount other children I thought I'd leave it...
  • I wonder if it could be made clearer that service in Greece and Crete was in combat/during the fighting against the Germans?
    • Fair point but my key source for these bits, the ADB, seems to take for granted we know who he's fighting -- I was hoping that linking to the campaigns would suffice for the broader picture.
      • Ok, I wonder if potentially it could be made clearer that he was there when they were actually fighting, though? For instance, briefly seconded to Savige Force, which fought in Greece, under Brigadier Stanley Savige. AustralianRupert (talk) 08:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • ext links all work, and there are no dab or dup links
  • in the References, perhaps consider adding the edition number for the Dennis work?
  • same as above for the Dexter and Long works
    • Will add editions.
  • course at Staff College, Camberley: --> "course at the Staff College, Camberley"?
    • Done.
  • He died on 4 November 1977: do we know what he died from specifically?
    • ADB doesn't say and searching Trove didn't help either, I'm afraid.
  • "File:Ragnar Garrett 064074.JPG": the caption (in the article) for this says "April 1944"; however, the AWM source indicates it was taken on 4 February 1944. The description page on Commons says "2 April 1944", so I wonder if the 2 and 4 haven't been transposed?
    • I think you're right -- altered in Commons and in the article.
  • the citations appear consistent, and the sources look reliable to me
  • citation density appears good to me
  • as an aside, the role of "adjutant/quartermaster" is not fun at all. Garrett seems to have had this role for many years, with different units, so I assume he was a humourless, dour man... ;-)
    • Well I daresay he was very serious in his younger days -- per Stretton, perhaps he loosened up a bit as he advanced and had less to prove (it can happen!) Tks for taking a look Rupert. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • FN2: why the double entry title?
    • God knows, I'm sure it didn't when I first put this together -- made more consistent now.
  • Be consistent in when you include access dates
    • Done, I think.
  • Is OUP in Melbourne or South Melbourne or South Melbourne, Victoria?
    • Well the last-mentioned is just plain inconsistent, and I've eliminated "Victoria". I've double-checked all OUP instances and there are some cases where it says South Melbourne and others where it just says Melbourne.
  • The second Long book appears to have the wrong OCLC number
    • Fixed.
  • Can you double-check the publication date for Palazzo? Nikkimaria (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed. Tks for all your thorough checks, Nikki. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Hawkeye7[edit]

Support Looks good to me too. I have one suggestion: instead of linking Birthday Honours and New Year Honours, link 1957 Birthday Honours and 1959 New Year Honours. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:48, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will do -- tks Hawkeye. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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