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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 21:48, 6 December 2008 [1].

Phan Dinh Phung[edit]

Nominator(s): User:YellowMonkey
previous FAC (03:05, 13 July 2008)

Renominating. The previous time, Tony1 said the prose was fine, although another reviewer did not, although I did make his fixes, and nobody else ever turned up. Also, a picture of his statue is now present. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 02:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments Minor prose points:
  • "Phan was born in the village of Dong Thai, reputed for producing a number high-ranking mandarins, in" - it would be 'reputed to produce', but you mean known or famous etc.
  • "Phan himself gave early indications of distaste towards the classical curriculum required" - distaste for, I think
  • "Phan also compiled a historical geography of Vietnam, which was penned in 1883" -"written", "completed" or "published".
  • "whom he caught with Tuong" - what, like at it? Needs clarifying
Still needs to be clearer - what act? Johnbod (talk) 13:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Thuyet took Ham Nghi on a northbound escape to the Tan So mountain base..." rephrase, maybe: "Thuyet escaped with Ham Nghi to the Tan So base in the northern mountains"
  • No Links: Ha Tinh, scholar-gentry
  • "targeted two nearby Catholic villages that ^had^ collaborated with French force^s^.

- done some others myself. Otherwise very interesting & well-written. There must be more sources on the parallels with the Vietcong, no? Worth adding something I think. Johnbod (talk) 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked these, and mentioned some bits about how the VC like to portray themselves as modern PHan Dinh Phungs and Truong Dinhs. I was unable to find any material by historians that actually compared them, however, although a few have noted the communist desire to see themselves as a modern PDP or TD. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 05:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Yes, unknown and pre-1933 since that's when he died. The French stuff at the bottom indicates it was published during the French colonial era, so pre-1955 and so PD-Vietnam. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 02:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note, I can't keep up with all the different naming conventions, I need a defaultsort or persondata hint about how to list alphabetically. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, list by PHAN, Dinh Phung I think. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 02:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I came to this article ignorant and went away informed - well-done! I can't speak to the article's comprehensiveness as I don't know anything about this period of Vietnamese history, but the sources are reliable, the writing is good (the entire article flows quite well), and the illustrations are well chosen. The quoted discussion between Phan and Khai was a particularly nice touch to the article. Awadewit (talk) 06:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Two minor issues, that may or may not need to be addressed:

  • I usually dislike citations in the lead, but I wonder if this sentence might need one? He was renowned for his uncompromising will and principles
Done. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 13:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any information on why he wasn't given the death penalty for refusing to support Duc Duc
I guess that's in Ton That Thuyet's head. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 13:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karanacs (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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