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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:24, 6 June 2009 [1].

Ngo Dinh Diem presidential visit to Australia[edit]

Nominator(s): YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Article about the first president of South Vietnam visiting Australia in 1957. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 03:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments Nice article. I always enjoy reading your submissions, as this area of the world was oft-neglected in the history classes I had. Not far from supporting, but a few fixes are needed:
    • "Like his American trip ..." Something about this phrase doesn't sit right. Consider "As with his American trip", perhaps?
    • "This was helped by the fact that his elder brother ..." The ambiguous "this" needs clarification. "This effort was helped"?
    • "He refused to hold the national elections and asserted that Ho would rig the ballots in the north" I assume you're referring to Ho Chi Minh, but it bears repeating since we've not read the name in a while. This also raises a question that Western readers might have.. why is Ngo Dinh Diem referred to in short form as "Diem", but Ho Chi Minh referred to as "Ho"?
    • "Diem arrived in the capital Canberra on 2 September" I've lost track of the year by now, so please restate.
    • "where large crowds cheered the Diem’s arrival" Extra "the"?
    • "This occurred in the 1950s during the McCarthyism scares" Another ambiguous "this".
    • Tucker appears in the Notes but not References.
--Laser brain (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done as of one hour after this post YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. (Note I passed this article for GA) Ealdgyth - Talk 15:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

images Australia has quite liberal copyright laws, government copyright expires after 50 years, are there no official photos? Fasach Nua (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The liberal law only applies up to 1955 pictures expiring in 2005. Since the new FTA, it is the same rotten one like all the other countries, so 1957 pictures might have to wait another 50 years. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Great read and an interesting article. I really didn't find much to complain about, but just a few incredibly minor points:

  • You could link 17th parallel to 17th parallel north.
  • He had visited the US in May as well as other anti-communist countries in the Asia Pacific region such as Thailand and South Korea during the year. What time of the year did he visit the latter two countries?
  • Doc Evatt, the leader of the opposition Australian Labor Party chimed in, proclaiming that peace, stability and democracy had been achieved in South Vietnam. Maybe joined instead of chimed.
  • There's a minor overlink in the Media reception and support section to 1955 State of Vietnam referendum (the link is repeated from earlier). It's up to you, but the second link may not be needed.
Fixed the four preceding parts.
  • Surely support and praise for Diem wasn't unanimous. Were there any (attempted) protests from local Vietnamese people/Communist groups? It surprises me that he could be feted so universally.
I presume you mean Australia. At the time Vietnamese settlement in Australia was negligible and only South Vietnamese students were allowed or came to anti-communist countries like Australia, so they were sent by Diem and wouldn't oppose him (VN has never been democratic so non-dissent at the government is expected). So I changed it to SV students. I also changed it to mainstream media. I suppose that the newsletter of the Communist Party of Australia must have condemned him but less than 0.5% of people support the CPA so it is nn. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once these problems are fixed/answered I'll be happy to support. Apterygial 04:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. My issues are dealt with. Like Laser brain, an area neglected in my history classes (considering I went to school in Australia that's odd), so good to read about it. Great article. Apterygial 10:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support with a minor question. I'm not sure if it is really relevant in this article, but I wondered a bit how other world leaders have been received in Australia after this - did the response approach that of Diem's visit, or was his special because it was essentially the first? Have other Vietnamese heads of state visited Australia? Karanacs (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added section on aftermath about Vietnam and Australa. In those days state visits were a big deal and lots of people came to tickertape parades for all of them, but with the social standards changing in 1960s, people were more willing to protest. When LBJ came there were a lot of people cheering and a few atni-war rioters etc as well. When GWB came in 2003 not many people showed much interest except protesters. When Hu Jintao came a few days later only some PRC people came along to wave flags frenetically YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 00:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great to me. Karanacs (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, comprehensive and well referenced.--Grahame (talk) 02:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "one of the highest imperial honours that can be bestowed on a non-British subject"—most readers (even Australians) won't get the gist, that Australians are themselves British subjects. Is it still the case, or does it need past tense?
  • "overlooking his authoritarianism, election fraud and corruption"—category issue: election fraud is corruption. ("and other aspects/signs of his corruption").
  • Clarify: "Diem had pursued policies in Vietnam favoring his co-religionists." ... "Diem's visit was a highmark in Australia–Vietnam relations."
  • "Over time, Diem became unpopular with his foreign allies, who began to notice his autocratic style and religious bias." How can we tell that they simply "began to notice" rather than "who had not responded to his autocratic ...". Safer NPOV?
  • Over time ... over time.
  • "By the time of his assassination, he had little support in Vietnam."
  • "after winning office, but after the Liberals were returned to power"—after after ("but on the return of the centre-right Liberal-National coalition to power in 1975,").

I hope the rest is better. It probably is, so perhaps just a run through by someone else? Tony (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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