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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 11 June 2023 [1].

Kingdom Two Crowns[edit]

Nominator(s): The Night Watch (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a strategy game made back in 2018. It’s the third game in a franchise called Kingdom, and it was the last one in which the original creator was involved. It basically replicates everything from the two previous games, except it made things slightly easier and gives you a way to permanently eradicate the monsters. Oh, and multiplayer was added too I guess. This article is relatively short, but it covers all the relevant information I could find about Development and Reception. Let’s see if I can make a Four Award out of this one. The Night Watch (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by ChrisTheDude[edit]

"Kingdom Two Crowns features single-player and cooperative multiplayer," => "Kingdom Two Crowns features single-player and cooperative multiplayer modes,"
"Players control a mounted monarch who must build their kingdom, and defend it from monsters called the Greed" - no need for comma in the middle there
"with the monarch exploring and building during the day, and fighting the Greed at night" - or that one :-)
"causing a game over" => don't think "game over" is a noun, so "causing a game to end"....?
"they can encounter portals that spawn Greed, and treasure chests containing coins or gems" - again, comma not needed
"Kingdom Two Crowns can be played in single-player," => "Kingdom Two Crowns can be played in single-player mode"
"A game over only occurs" - again, not sure that "game over" is a noun, but maybe I am wrong.....?
"The studio said in 2020 that it was one of their main priorities supporting Two Crowns" => "The studio said in 2020 that supporting Two Crowns was one of their main priorities"
"adding a new one called "Trade Routes" - a new one what....?
Both notes need a full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:09, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Chris! I believe that I have addressed your comments. The Night Watch (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude just a follow-up ping. The Night Watch (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheJoebro64[edit]

Coming soon. JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 16:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoebro64 Just a nudge. The Night Watch (talk) 17:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry—will try to post tomorrow JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 22:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve been extremely busy, so it probably won’t be up until tomorrow or Sunday JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 02:33, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Full review coming tomorrow. Apologies for the delay, it's been a bit hectic. JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 00:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. It's definitely a bit hectic for all of us right now with exams and all. The Night Watch (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, the article's in pretty great shape and I don't have much to say. Here's what stood out:

"... developed by Noio and Coatsink..." I think it's a little weird to introduce Noio by his pseudonym before introducing his actual name, the one we use for the rest of the article
Coatsink isn't mentioned in prose, while Stumpy Squid is only mentioned as developing the DLC. I'd clarify their roles in the development section
"Instead, the player continues as an "heir" to their partially destroyed realm." I think this needs clarification. What does the player do as an heir? Can they make their way back to monarchy?
I'm a little confused—is the Shogun campaign DLC that was launched alongside the main game? It's a little unclear at the moment.
I think the free update content should be moved to the gameplay section. I think it should still be mentioned the modes were added in updates, but I think it relates more to the gameplay than it does to the game's release.

This is all that stood out. Overall a well-done article, I'll come back once these are addressed. JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 01:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Joe! I have addressed most of your comments. I added a source clarifying that Coatsink is a British development studio that helped van den Berg, and reworded the "heir" bit. The only thing I didn't change was the free update content, as there is quite too much of it I think to be included in Gameplay, and there are lots of articles that include this information in their Release sections. (e.g. Sonic Forces, BioShock 2, etc.) The Night Watch (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any other issues. Support JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 17:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MyCatIsAChonk[edit]

As this will be my first FAR, I won't be giving a support/oppose, but I'm still happy to provide comments! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest adding a Use American English tag at the top (or other)
Series creator Thomas "Noio" van den Berg... Has a false title- something I only recently learned about (thanks Tim) -"the" should the present before "series creator", perhaps rephrasing to make it sound smoother (e.g. "The creator of the series, Thomas...")
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding something, but what is a "monarch"? Does it literally mean a creature that's also a head of state? Or is it using a synonym for monarch I'm unaware of? If it's the latter, a wikilink to Wikitionary may be useful
...was mainly designed by Raw Fury co-founder Gordon van Dyke, with series creator Thomas... Two false titles
The wikilink on "the narrative" under Development can be removed since Infinity Blade is already linked
"Journalists" should not be capitalized under Reception
The rating box should contain only numbers and no stars per WP:VG/REC.
Cover art in the infobox needs a caption like "Cover art"

I'll check the reliability of the sources while I'm at it (using WP:VG/S and WP:RS/P for reference), as well as checking the refs are properly formatted

Ref 10 publisher can be wikilinked
Ref 19 needs publisher
Ref 24 has a via named, but no link is present; if there's no link available, the via is unnecessary
Ref 25 has "live" in the url-status box, but no archive link
While the pub of Ref 30 has no consensus on reliability, the only instances it's used is for review purposes, so I think it's ok

All the sources look good. That's all from me, this article is great! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 01:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @MyCatIsAChonk, I believe that I have addressed your comments! I included Ref 30 because it includes a piece from Sean Martin, a journalist who has written for other outlets such as Eurogamer and PCGamesN. And Ref 24 includes the 'via' as part of the basic structure of the {{Cite journal}} template, and is included automatically if you list the source provider. I unfortunately cannot find the Prog article through Gale Academic OneFile anymore (removed for some reason?) but I would like to still list the provider where I originally found the magazine source. Oh, and the wikilink to narrative goes to the gameplay section of Infinity Blade, where it talks about the structure of the narrative that inspired the devs.

Anyway, I'll try and do a spot-check on Untitled Goose Game if time allows me today. If not, it'll probably be up sometime later this week. The Night Watch (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Media review - pass[edit]

Both files are appropriately licensed. The screenshot is located in the Screenshots folder of the toolkit on Dropbox, however there seem to be five different posters in the Banners folder but it does not include the one currently used in the article.--N Ø 14:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you MaranoFan! I looked around for the source of the Promotional art (It was uploaded by someone other than myself) and added a URL to the only website I could find that provided this specific image. The Night Watch (talk) 06:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New link works fine!--N Ø 06:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from NØ[edit]

The sources all look reliable for the purposes they are used. This nomination passes my source review as well, just to be safe in case MyCatIsAChonk's analysis above isn't considered an SR.
"As the monarch explores, they can encounter portals that spawn Greed and treasure chests containing coins or gems" - The pronoun "they" is used for the monarch throughout the Gameplay section, is it possible to be more specific with the pronouns?
- I chose 'they' because the monarch is randomly generated as either a king or a queen, and I thought that using both gendered pronouns instead of 'they' might become repetitive.
Kingdom (video game) is linked three times (MOS:DL)
removed a few links
Not sure "the narrative" needs a wikilink in the Development section.
Is it possible to use a full form of "co-op" or add a wikilink to a relevant article? As someone unfamiliar with video games, its meaning is not immediately obvious to me.
- I added a wikilijk to cooperative multiplayer and added (co-op) in brackets to clarify that it is an abbreviation of cooperative multiplayer.
"adding a second monarch allowed for players to split their attention between multiple areas" - Also fine as "adding a second monarch allowed ~~for~~ players to split their attention between multiple areas"
The word "Conversely" could be removed from the introduction of the following sentence, since its removal isn't really detrimental and the claim made here isn't directly contradictory to the previous sentence.
- Done
"Pocket Tactics's reviewer appreciated how the in-game progression reminded him of medieval rulers expanding their domains, writing that Two Crowns's combination of simplistic strategy with an aesthetic feel amounted to "a really smart kingdom management game" - Nitpick-y but I'd go for "Pocket Tactics's reviewer appreciated how the in-game progression reminded him of medieval rulers expanding their domains, and wrote that Two Crowns's combination of simplistic strategy with an aesthetic feel amounted to "a really smart kingdom management game"

If you liked this review, I would appreciate any comments on my current FAC.--N Ø 13:12, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you MaranoFan! I believe that I have addressed your comments. I will take a look at your FAC when I have a chance. The Night Watch (talk) 14:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support--N Ø 02:39, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Query[edit]

@FAC coordinators: this has been open for about a month and a half, and I've addressed the comments of all the reviewers and responded to the Media and source reviews. Anything else needed? Thanks, The Night Watch (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't look like it... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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