Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Herschel Greer Stadium/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 13:45, 6 April 2010 [1].

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Herschel Greer Stadium

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Nominator(s): NatureBoyMD (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Featured article candidates/Herschel Greer Stadium/archive1

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the criteria to become featured. It is listed as a good article and was peer reviewed in April 2009. NatureBoyMD (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. No dab links or dead external links. Alt text generally excellent; perhaps you can drop the overly exact locations ("seats behind the third base dugout"), which are unlikely to be verifiable to a non-expert. Ucucha 22:55, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I made a few changes to alt text as mentioned above. NatureBoyMD (talk) 02:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Ucucha 02:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Image Check: Passed - 8 images. All are CC-by-SA or PD, and are located at commons- all are pictures taken by WP users at the stadium, except for one picture of a game transferred from Flickr. File:GreerStadiumScoreboard.jpg has tags all over it that the license tag is wonky since WP changed the site licensing- please try to fix this, though I don't think it makes the use of the image invalid. --PresN 19:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Is there an administrator reading this who could look into the presence of disclaimers with the original upload to the English Wikipedia (it has been deleted)? NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:11, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Ucucha 18:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The full text of the image description page, as written by Kinu (talk · contribs), was:

== Summary == A view of the scoreboard at [[Herschel Greer Stadium]]. Taken by [[User:Kinu]] on [[2005]]-[[07-25]]. == Licensing == {{GFDL-self}}

Ucucha 18:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

As it appears no disclaimers were present at the original uploading, I have replaced the liscense template with {{GFDL-user-en-no-disclaimers|Kinu}}. NatureBoyMD (talk) 18:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Support well done. Dincher (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comments -
• Just a note for other reviewers, a good number of the sources are to the local baseball team that plays in the stadium, so special attention should be paid to that to ensure thre is not unintentional bias introduced.

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Nit-picks suggest a run-through the whole is in order.

• Something tells me it should be a numeral when with a symbol (abbreviation): (3 km).
• Why is "guitar" linked? Should "all-star games" have a capital A?
• In order to: spot the two redundant words. But regardless, let's avoid "to ... to ...": "with the city for a new ...".
• "the final cost added up to over $1,000,000"—"added up to" is a little clunky ... just "was"? And we presume this was still the total projected cost, not what it ended up being on completion? It's not clear.
• This is a winding route: "With the help of country music star Conway Twitty, other stars such as Jerry Reed, Richard Sterban, and Cal Smith, as well as other members of the Nashville community, were brought in as team shareholders." Can't it be shifted around to avoid the bumps? And there are two instances of "other". Rethink.
• Theatre type seats—hyphen, I think.
• Just a personal style thing: "approximately" is such an ugly word; won't "about" do? But I note this is a rough estimate (extra 5,000), yet the total is expressed as a definite 13,0000. I'm confused.
• "which resulted in the field being raised 5 feet (1.5 m) above its previous elevation"—erky: this is a noun plus -ing construction that doesn't work, unlike some. "which raised the field by ...". So easy to fix.

And more. I've looked only at the top part. A run-through by an unfamiliar editor would be good. Not a long job. Tony (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Plus, as I keep pointing out at FAC, just reverse the order to avoid an ungainly construction that really should be triple hyphenated:

"A 4-line-, 10-foot-(3.0 m)-high scoreboard". Try "A 4-line scoreboard 10 feet (3.0 m) high replaced ...". Tony (talk) 06:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

And this sentence needs a complete audit: "The field measured 330 feet (100 m) down the left and right field lines, 375 feet (114 m) to left and right-center fields, and 405 feet (123 m) to center field.[10] Lighting grids atop 8 100 foot (30 m) steel poles ...". First, 8 100 is no good (see the MoS). Spell out the 8. Hyphens required, or try reversing as above. Is it left-center and right-center fields (a hanging hyphen is required, see MoS), or the left field and the right-center field (leave as it is)? Tony (talk) 06:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

All done. Thanks. NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments – Pretty much picking up from where Tony left off, although at least one thing came from what he looked at. Most of the comments are basic nit-picky stuff, but there are a couple referencing-related comments that left me somewhat concerned. I'm sure they can be handled, though.

• "Theater-type seats with back support and armrests accounted for 3,000 of the stadium's seats, bleacher seats made up the remainder." Feels like the comma should be a semi-colon, or "and" should be added after the comma. Either way, it feels a shade off now.
• A 4-line scoreboard 10 feet high replaced the stadium's original which was...". Probably should be a comma before "which".
• "In the 2000s, following the construction of newer, relatively luxurious minor league ballparks, Greer has fallen below standards set for Triple-A stadiums by professional baseball." If 2000s is used to signify a decade, the sentence should be made past tense since we're now in the 2010s. If not, it's fine as is.
• "and has been the subject of many renovations in order to meet Triple-A standards." Little bit of wordiness that can easily be removed. Tony would approve.
• What is citing the part about the cancellation of plans for a new stadium? Is it the reference that follows?
• I see $1 million used here, but earlier I remember seeing $1,000,000. They should probably be made consistent; I personally prefer it with the space.
• "The restaurant, which relocated from its downtown location, closed down that November." No source for this is provided, and the one that comes after doesn't mention this at all.
• Major league exhibitions: "The 10–1 Yankees victory was played before a standing room only crowd of 17,318 spectators." Should be a hyphen in "standing room only".
• "beating the Yankees 5–4 before an attendance of 13,641." This is the first time I've ever heard the phrase "before an attendance of". Maybe try "before a crowd of"? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 15:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. I left the "2000s" part as is. It originally referred to the decade, but it holds true today as the stadium is still below other Triple-A parks. I took out the part about Judge Bean's as I feel it holds little relevence to the park's history. NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• Support - Looks good to me. --mav (Urgent FACs/FARs/PRs) 00:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
• Support Article has plenty of sources, illustrations, and the prose is very clear. Shockfront (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• Comment 23 innings, or 24? I think I see both... • Ling.Nut 12:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Corrected. (It should have been 24.) NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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