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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 00:57, 28 April 2008.

Easy Jet[edit]

I'm nominating this article for featured article because after extensive copyediting I feel it meets the FAC criteria. It's about one of the most influential Quarter Horse racehorses and stallions of the last half of the 20th century, not about the airline. And it's short too! Ealdgyth - Talk 14:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. Obviously I should write more horse articles, rather than bishops. Horses get folks to review quicker... Ealdgyth - Talk 20:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Yes, I would accept this article as a Featured Article. The tree diagram is probably the best evidence of a well laid-out article. --Marianian (talk) 17:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Questions answered - thanks GrahamColmTalk 20:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What does this mean? and was struggling to oriented himself when the gates opened

--GrahamColmTalk 18:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "struggling to stand up again" . It should have read "struggling to orient himself", but I figured that what I changed it to made more sense. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a few more comments
  • I had to stop and think about the meaning of oil bust.
  • Does dead last mean last?
  • After retiring to stud full time, - is the full time needed? It sounds like too much fun.
  • What does a full book of mares mean?
Sorry about all this; I only ride motorbikes ;-) --GrahamColmTalk 18:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem at all, Im so deep into horse culture that it's hard to see the jargon. Do you think I need to clarify oil bust? Is there an article on it? Karanacs, you're the Texas history person here. Any idea? Dead last means "so far behind that they might as well have not started" basically. The only way it'd be worse is if they died on the track. Full time is needed because some horses race and stand at stud, so when they retire completely it's full time. I'll clarify full book of mares (It basically means he bred until he was exhausted. And his owners made money hand over fist). Ealdgyth - Talk 19:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know if you want me to explain anything else in the article besides the book of mares stuff. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's an article for 1980s oil glut but it doesn't really talk about the impact this had on Oklahoma and Texas (states very heavily dependent on the petroleum industry at that time). That may be enough, though, to help people understand what is meant. Karanacs (talk) 20:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to that. I really have no motivation to write an article on how the oil bust and the tax laws killed not just QH breeding but Arabian breeding also. I should, but... Ealdgyth - Talk 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for a lucid, informative and engaging insight into a culture alien to me. One can tell engaging prose when all the "illustrations" appear in the mind of the reader. (A good lesson for all FAC nominators). My heart was warmed by the good-natured and patient replies to my questions. (Another good lesson for FAC nominators). Easy Jet will shine out of the Main Page. --GrahamColmTalk 19:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Well written and comprehensive. I also examined the sources (since that is usually Ealdgyth's job) and they all appear to be reliable. Full disclosure: Prior to the FAC nom I copyedited and reviewed this article at Ealdgyth's request. She already addressed all of the issues I had found in that review.[1] Karanacs (talk) 18:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A well-written article overall. Here are several things to look at improving.
  • First sentence of Racing career: "and was placed below third only twice" remove was. It sounds like the horse was placed by someone else instead of him finishing the races there.
  • Same in last sentence of paragraph.
  • Third paragraph of section: "and only the fourth two year old to be named World Champion." At least one dash needed.
  • Third paragraph of Retirement and career at stud: "In March 2008 he still led the list of All-time leading sires of Quarter Horse racehorses by winners," Capitalization issue? Giants2008 (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's a problem. The AQHA puts out the lists every year, and they are titled lists, so I think they need a capital on the front. Quarter Horse is the breed name, and thus a proper noun and should be captialized also, I think. Grammar isn't my strong suit, so if I'm off on my theory, please let me know. Fixed the other issues, also. Thanks for finding them! Ealdgyth - Talk 19:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just confused by the setup. In the paragraph in question, the lists start with All Time, then they switch to All-time. Is this how they are supposed to be? If so, disregard my comment. Giants2008 (talk) 22:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Okay, now I see the problem. I'll pick one and stick with it. Be a second (gotta fix dinner) Ealdgyth - Talk 23:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, see anything else wrong? Thanks for catching that one. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. Thumbs up from my point of view. Giants2008 (talk) 01:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
  • Very minor, but I would like to see the image in the infobox slightly larger.
I'm not sure how big I can make a fair use image without running into too big. Elcobbola? Ealdgyth - Talk 01:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, it's very minor and probably unnecessary, so it should be fine. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hit everything I could think of that might possibly need one. If there are others, I have no idea they need them. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks to me like you got them all. As long as you put them between numbers and the text after them, you should be good. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a sire, he was the first All American Futurity winner to sire a Futurity winner, and went on to sire no fewer than three winners of that race, and nine Champion Quarter Running Horses. "No fewer than" seems very unneeded and superfluous to me.
Removed. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I cannot call myself an expert (or even a beginner for that matter) of horses, so I would like to see some explaination of the terms used.Waned, foaled, dam, damsire, sire, etc.
Sire is just father. Should be reasonably self-explanatory. Weaned is the same as a baby being weaned from breast milk. I honestly didn't think I needed to explain that.Ealdgyth - Talk 01:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard of most if not all of those terms. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the infobox to maternal grandsire. I explained sire, dam, foaled in the article. If I change the infobox from sire to father, that would create issues with other horse articles. I'll explain weaning also. I am afraid that I'm going to have to leave the terms in the infobox, they really aren't that out there, they are also used for humans. See Sire at Wiktionary Dam at Wiktionary Wean at Wiktionary. I'll explain them in the article, however. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Easy Jet raced for two years, starting 38 races; of these, he won 27, came in second seven times and third twice, and placed below third only twice, with race earnings totaling $445,721. Too long of a sentence, IMO.
Broken into two sentences. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great, looks good. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In winning the All American, he led from the wire on a sloppy, muddy track. "Sloppy, muddy" doesn't sound very encyclopediac.
That's what the description of the racing surface was though. If you go to the racetrack, they will announce the condition of the track, and sloppy muddy is the term for something closely resembling a mudpit. That is the correct racing term for the condition of the track, so it'll probalby have to stay sounding that way. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, very well then. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that, it seems very good. Good work! Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've addressed most of these. The infobox is not something I can change the terminology around that much, though. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I don't mind the terminology in the infobox. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As the one who passed the GAN a while ago, I think it's an excellent article and worth of FA. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—Nice one, Ealdgyth. (CoI disclosure: I did copy-edit it a while ago.) Tony (talk) 06:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Succinct, informative and interesting (although this comes from someone whose knowledge of horses is limited to knowing that they make dandy shoes - probably not the most pleasant of thoughts for horse enthusiasts, but there you have it ;) ). ЭLСОВВОLД talk 14:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question In order to answer a question, I have just ordered and received the full race record of Easy Jet. Should I add this information into the article in a table form? Or should I leave it out? Ealdgyth - Talk 20:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think that might be overkill for this article since I was in so many races. It might be a good basis for Easy Jet race record (a future Featured List?), which could then be linked to in this article. Karanacs (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. What, this horse is more important than The Black? Actually, I don't know anything about horse racing, other than what I now know about Easy Jet. Good article. I enjoyed reading it. --Moni3 (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. D.M.N. (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Book references need to be in proper Cite book form.
      • They are, at the bottom in the references section. I use a "short form in the footnotes, long form in the references" format for my footnotes. I'll admit that I didn't know how exactly to format the Get of Sire Record and the Race Record, since there isn't exactly a template for them. I'm open to suggestions on how I might improve those. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Web references need to be in proper Cite web form.
      • See above. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Notes #1, #8 and #15 need to use the Cite web template though. I can'tr see any problem in doing that. D.M.N. (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done, although I hate the look of the long web citation in the shorter footnote. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • How does AQHA meet WP:RS?
      • It's the American Quarter Horse Association, the registering and showing authority for Quarter Horses. It's like the Formula One governing association, except for Quarter Horses. Their records are official, just like Formula One records would be official. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • How does QHD meet WP:RS?
      • It's not used as a source, it's an external link. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • How does QuarterHorseLegends meet WP:RS?
      • It's not used as a source, it's an external link. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • How does CNRQuarterHorses meet WP:RS?
      • It's not used as a source, it's an external link. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • How does AllBreedPedigree meet WP:RS?
      • It's not used as a source, it's an external link. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's irrelevent if it's an external link. You can't have external links directed to unreliable sources, can you? D.M.N. (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Categories are not in the correct order, need to go 0 to 9; A to Z.
      • Excuse me? I wasn't aware that categories had to be alphabetized. But I fixed it. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Pedigree" section entirely unsourced. Where is this information taken from; at the moment it's WP:OR.
      • I can throw a link on it to the official pedigree from the AQHA and from one of the books. But where would you like me to place the footnote? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I put two references on the pedigree. For the moment they are placed on Easy Jet's name, but I'm open to suggestions on where they might work better, or if I need to reference each horse in the pedigree. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • A quick comment from a supporter earlier: "I also examined the sources (since that is usually Ealdgyth's job) and they all appear to be reliable." does not make me feel they are reliable, you need to justify how and why they are reliable. I'm sure if I said that in any of the other FAC's I've nominated, I'm sure I'd have you, Sandy and Raul all over me, and that'd be no promote there and then. Justify the above sources, along with the other problems, and I'll support the article. D.M.N. (talk) 08:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • The only "source" you actually questioned was the AQHA. The others are used as external links, for folks to go to other sites for more information. Not as sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you would like, I can remove the external links section. It's not particularly important, I mainly added them to keep down the number of folks adding in their own personal sites that eulogized Easy Jet. They aren't integral to the article. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Remove them. D.M.N. (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Removed, but I'll point out that the requirements for External links are not nearly so stringent as those for actual sources. Certainly the All breed pedigree database qualifies, but per your request, I've removed them all. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: most of the capped comments above did not constitute a valid oppose: categories do not need to be alphabetical, cite templates are not required (the citations are fine), and the external links were fine. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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