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The article was archived by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 21 January 2022 [1].

2021 World Snooker Championship[edit]

Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 2021 edition of the World Snooker Championship. Mark Selby won his fourth title, in a really good event. For reference, six of the previous seven articles in the series are also at FA; so hopefully there isn't too much work to do. Let me know what you think of the article. :) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Image licensing looks acceptable. Shame there don't seem to be freely licensed figures of the actual event (t · c) buidhe 17:15, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Thanks for an interesting article. As is often the case with these snooker articles, there is a problem with fused participles. They make the prose sound like a BBC commentary or news report (where you hear them everyday). Fortunately on this occasion there are only a few. Here's one example: "with the highest-ranked players being seeded". In spoken English, we can't hear the difference between "with the highest-ranked players' being seeded" (correct) and "with the highest-ranked players being seeded" (incorrect). In prose, it works best to avoid the ambiguity altogether and write "and the highest-ranked players were seeded". The brilliant, late Brian Boulton, never used the construction once in any of his scores of FAs. Graham Beards (talk) 10:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have made this change, although I still don't really understand the issues. I must have read that page you've linked 20 times now, and I still can't put my finger on what they actually look like. I've done some additional reading, but from UK sources, they seem to suggest it isn't that big a deal: The Times, The Guardian for example, although I'm sure there are style guides out there that would ask for this to be done. I'm more than happy to make the changes, I am struggling a bit to recognise where the issues are, even in the example you've given. Is "players' being seeded" right? My grammar isn't fantastic, so I'm likely wrong. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:31, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would take issue with the author of the Time's article who writes, "The possessive form is merely more formal, rather than “correct”. And as for writing what sounds "correct to your ear", would lead to "interesting" prose in the Black Country. The problem is that the construction is ugly and not knowing the difference between the accusative case "them" and the possessive case "their" is not an excuse. I would be happy to make the few edits needed to eliminate the issue from the article. Graham Beards (talk) 10:54, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken the liberty of making a few edits. [2] I notice the author of The Guardian article doesn't actually address the topic – and my cutting remarks were not directed to the nominator, to whom I wish all the best with this nomination and a happy New Year. Graham Beards (talk) 18:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for making these edits. I'm not against it, I'll do my best to get my head around this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Trainsandotherthings[edit]

Saving my place, I'll be providing comments in the near future. Bear with me as I am not very familiar with snooker. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • "The event was sponsored by sports betting company Betfred and broadcast by the BBC, Eurosport and Matchroom Sport. The event featured a total prize fund of £2,395,000 of which the winner received £500,000." Suggest replacing one of these back to back uses of "the event" to start the sentences with "It" or another alternative, a bit redundant as written in my view.
  • "There were 128 participants in the qualifying rounds, with a mix of professional and invited amateur players, 16 of whom reached the main stage of the tournament where they played the top 16 players from the snooker world rankings." I'm not sure if "16 of whom" refers to the amateur players, or all 128 participants. Suggest tweaking the wording to prevent this from being confusing to the reader.
  • "This year, O'Sullivan lost in the second round to..." Wouldn't the statement "This year" fall afoul of MOS:TODAY?

Background

  • "The first World Snooker Championship took place in 1927, with the final held at Camkin's Hall in Birmingham, England, and the title was won by Joe Davis." Is this much information on the history of the competition really necessary here? It feels to me like the article is going a bit off topic here. I suggest incorporating the information that the first match took place in 1927 into the first sentence of this paragraph, and deleting the rest. Let me know your thoughts.
    • I'm pretty happy with how it is. We do need to give an outline of the event itself before we talk about the 2021 event.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The event is organised by World Snooker in partnership with the World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association (WPBSA)." Move this before the sentences about the 2020 and 2021 winners, to keep like information together. This could go near the top of the paragraph.
  • "The tournament was the last of 15 ranking events in the 2020–21 season on the World Snooker Tour." Is "on" the correct word here, or should it be "of"?
Coord note

20 days in with no supports. May be archived if there's no progress over the next few days. (t · c) buidhe 04:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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