Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 August 18

Caleb Rufer – I'm sorry but I think this this DRV is too pointy to continue. Functionally there is no difference between a redirect and a merge in these cases as the history is still there. Just do the merge and all will be well. As no admin bits are required here there is no reason on earth why we need to debate this for 7 days - especially over so many articles. – Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:48, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.

With three delete !votes (including the nomination) and three "Merge and redirect" !votes, consensus was not to redirect as was performed here. A closure of "merge", undoing the redirect/restoring content on the page and adding {{Afd-merge to}} to it may be in order. Another option would be "no consensus."

Redirecting articles listed at AfD in this manner without consensus, and then suggesting in the AfD discussion closure that people can merge content, is problematic, because the end result remains as a loss of information in the encyclopedia that goes against the grain WP:PRESERVE, part of Wikipedia's Editing policy. This is very important to maintain the overall integrity of content within the encyclopedia. Another problem with this close is that only editors who contributed to the AfD discussion will likely be aware of the need for merging. Other readers and editors will simply be redirected to pages that omit information which may have needed to be preserved.

Lastly, a merge closure would then list the article at Category:Articles to be merged after an Articles for deletion discussion, per use of the Afd-merge to template, which facilitates an actual merge to occur. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:17, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This matter was discussed with the AfD's closer prior to creation of this deletion review, see old revision page. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

United Football League All Stars Football (Philippines) – I'm sorry but I think this this DRV is too pointy to continue. Functionally there is no difference between a redirect and a merge in these cases as the history is still there. Just do the merge and all will be well. As no admin bits are required here there is no reason on earth why we need to debate this for 7 days - especially over so many articles. – Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:48, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.

Closed as redirect, but consensus in the AfD discussion was for this article to be merged. Out of the 5 !votes that stated merge, two !votes stated "Merge and redirect", which includes a merge. A proper closure of "merge", undoing the redirect/restoring content on the page and adding {{Afd-merge to}} to it would be in order.

Redirecting articles with clear consensus to be merged, and then suggesting in the AfD discussion closure that people can merge content, is problematic, because the end result remains as a loss of information in the encyclopedia that goes against the grain WP:PRESERVE, part of Wikipedia's Editing policy. This is very important to maintain the overall integrity of content within the encyclopedia. Another problem with this close is that only editors who contributed to the AfD discussion will likely be aware of the need for merging. Other readers and editors will simply be redirected to pages that omit information which should have been preserved per consensus in the discussion.

Lastly, a proper closure per consensus would then list the article at Category:Articles to be merged after an Articles for deletion discussion, per use of the Afd-merge to template, which facilitates an actual merge to occur. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:05, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This matter was discussed with the AfD's closer prior to creation of this deletion review, see old revision page. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

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