- Afranet (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
This isn't a request for a deletion review of the AFD as it was done correctly. Editors have stated that in order to make way for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Afranet the issue must be brought here. I am making this request on behalf of User:ChazzI73 and will inform him of this discussion so he can take part. Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. Here is my argument about Afranet. Sorry if it is a bit lengthy. For whatever reason, the article I crated is available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Afranet and the history I can see under page Afranet has different content. Anyhow, here is my reasoning:
- Population of Iran is about 75 millions. Tthe second language there is English, so it is crucial to have information about reputable Iranian companies both in Farsi and English.
- Iran has the highest rate of education in Middle East. It has large and successful immigrant community in English speaking countries including US, UK & Canada. More than half of the population there is below 30, Internet Usage in Iran and number of Internet users in Iran are the highest among Middle Eastern countries, which make it important to have information about important Iranian companies online.
- Except Afranet, at present there is no other ISP/ICP in Tehran’s Stock Exchange and they are the only private IT company in Iran that has ever gone IPO. Afranet's market share in Iran’s Internet is almost 10%. (3 millions out of 30 million users ref - http://www.internetworldstats.com/me/ir.htm , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_Iran & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQyXXx3GfY )
- Largest University of Iran (Islamic Azad University) is hosted in Afranet’s Data Center which is another measure of credibility (check it at http://notification.azmoon.org/). This is one of the honorary national projects in Iran completely hosted by Afranet with 2.5 million daily visitors and two millions registered students.
- Afranet Data Center has almost 3,000 physical machines that put it among the largest in Middle East. If you want to compare it, the three leading Data Centers in the United States are Google, Amazon and Microsoft. Afranet has the similar role in Iran.
- Afranet categorized as a “Medium” sized registry by Ripe (https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ir.afranet.html ). It accounts for about 1% of IPv4 addresses in Iran (ref http://www-public.int-evry.fr/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIPE_Allocations/IPv4/Alpha/IR.html) and
- No other Data Center in Middle East except Afranet holds an Information Security Management System certificate (ISMS or Iso 27001 ref http://www.gilanifoundation.com/homepage/128/Asia%20128/Iran%20128.pdf , http://www.iso27001certificates.com/Taxonomy/ScopeResults.asp & http://www.afranet.com/Stocks/MarketingInfo/Afranet-Catalogue.pdf )
- Afranet's website has Google Page Rank of “5” which means it has good amount of authority in the eyes of Google. This authority mainly comes from the history, links by third parties to the website and visitors and could count a measure of credibility (check the Page Rank at http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php). Besides, there are about 1 million indexed pages in Google by searching “Afranet” or “افرانت” and its CEO, “Fereidoun Ghasemzadeh” or “فریدون قاسم زاده” in both English and Farsi on aggregate. Only in Google and not considering other search engines or search sources, there are over 100,000 searches annually for aforementioned terms (according to Google Adwords tool available at https://adwords.google.com/o/Targeting/Explorer?__c=1000000000&__u=1000000000&ideaRequestType=KEYWORD_IDEAS ).
- Afranet Competitors such as Parsonline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonline ), Sepanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepanta) & Shatel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatel ) with sometimes smaller market share are listed and accepted in Wikipedia. Afranet is a much more credible company from some aspects.
- The company's Public Offering was late last year (2011). Now there are a lot of inquiries about investing in this company, analysis of its stock or more information on it. Their market cap is 27 billion Rials (ref – Tehran Stock Exchange site @ http://en.tsetmc.com/loader.aspx?ParTree=121C1412&inscode=52792903131341205 and balance sheet at http://www.fipiran.com/CompanyBalanceSheet.aspx?lan=en&FinancialInstrumentId=4415&CompanyId=756 ) (was about 17 million USD as of 2011 – ref www.turquoisepartners.com/iraninvestment/IIM-Aug11.pdf and http://www.reportlinker-news.com/n018990830/Market-Overview.html ).
- Afranet has been mentioned numerous times in English and Farsi news including the following:
- United Nations report on Iran: http://un.org.ir/sites/default/files/docs_pub/3970/doc_attachments/post_report.pdf
- MacMaster Times: http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/MACMASTER.jpg
- Business Week: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51800721
- Tehran Times Newspaper (report on ISO 9001): http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/tehrantimes-iso-ceremony.jpg
- Tehran Times (Announcement of IPO): http://old.tehrantimes.com/PDF/11206/11206-4.pdf
- Global Survey of Broadband Service Providers in the world: http://www.arcchart.com/reports/dl/BWAOperators_promo_ARCCHART.pdf
- Iran News (News Paper): http://www.afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/press22-origin.jpg
- Collection of 60 newspaper Articles about Afranet: http://afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/Afranet-in-Media.pdf
- The company is pretty active in social activities and accordingly, has many searches for that, which makes it essential to be available in Wikipedia too. (look at http://afranet.com/En/Social/Responsibility.aspx ) The company provides free internet to schools in deprived areas, Free equipment to Schoolnet, Financial and logistical support for rural kindergartens (in cooperation with Unicef), Financial Support Program for orphans (in cooperation with the I.K. Relief Foundation) and much more of social activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChazzI73 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not really buying the argument for a separate article at this stage, I'm afraid. When I checked a random sampling of the references provided, I couldn't seem to find the kind of sources appropriate for a Wikipedia article. Is anyone aware of a credible secondary source? I'm open to being convinced but sceptical of the long list of passing mentions, or references to Afranet itself, listed above.
However, I also think it's inappropriate for this to be a redlink when it could be a redirect to Communications in Iran#Internet, so I'd suggest we discuss the possibility of redirecting. We should probably consider protecting the redirect, since it was necessary to salt the article title.—S Marshall T/C 20:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the time you spend. I want to bring your attention to this list of independent references about Afranet, which has some names as big as "United Nations":
- United Nations report on Iran: http://un.org.ir/sites/default/files/docs_pub/3970/doc_attachments/post_report.pdf
- Business Week: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51800721
- Tehran Times (Announcement of IPO): http://old.tehrantimes.com/PDF/11206/11206-4.pdf
- MacMaster Times: http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/MACMASTER.jpg
- Tehran Times Newspaper (report on ISO 9001): http://www.afranet.com/En/App_Themes/images/About/Press/tehrantimes-iso-ceremony.jpg
- Global Survey of Broadband Service Providers in the world: http://www.arcchart.com/reports/dl/BWAOperators_promo_ARCCHART.pdf
- Iran News (News Paper): http://www.afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/press22-origin.jpg
- Iran Investment Magazine: www.turquoisepartners.com/iraninvestment/IIM-Aug11.pdf
- Collection of 60 newspaper Articles about Afranet: http://afranet.com/App_Themes/images/About/Press/Afranet-in-Media.pdf
- Tehran Stock Exchange: http://en.tsetmc.com/loader.aspx?ParTree=121C1412&inscode=52792903131341205
- Financial Information Process of Iran: http://www.fipiran.com/CompanyBalanceSheet.aspx?lan=en&FinancialInstrumentId=4415&CompanyId=756
- Gilan Foundation: http://www.gilanifoundation.com/homepage/128/Asia%20128/Iran%20128.pdf
- Second point that I want to emphasize is presence of competitors on Wikipedia with much less credibility including Parsonline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsonline ), Sepanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepanta) & Shatel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatel ). Do you think it is appropriate?
- Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChazzI73 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment While the article isn't perfect, I do personally believe that the subject has more coverage than it had in 2009 (due to the initial public offering) and should be in the article space. Ryan Vesey Review me! 23:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Here are some examples in Farsi, all in independent newspapers:
- Farsi Articles about Afranet:
- Economic World (Donya E Eqtesad) Newspaper:
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=262541
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=262898
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=257408
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=300670
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=266799
- http://donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=274017
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=296201
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=289202
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=281562
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=263219
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=301515
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=266948
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=300126
- http://donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=283956
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=278979
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=292064
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=294887
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=300280
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=297685
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=295495
- http://www.donya-e-eqtesad.com/Default_view.asp?@=289007
- and many more
- Keyhan (The World) Newspaper:
- http://www.kayhannews.ir/901011/4.htm
- http://www.kayhannews.ir/901022/4.htm
- http://www.kayhannews.ir/890416/4.htm
- http://www.kayhannews.ir/870715/4.htm
- Khorasan Newspaper:
- http://www.khorasannews.com/newssource/17688-890810/pdf/11.pdf
- http://www.khorasannews.com/newssource/17667-890715/pdf/11.pdf
- Fanavaran (Technocrats) Newspaper:
- http://www.itmen.ir/index.aspx?pid=10319&articleid=5314
- http://www.itmen.ir/index.aspx?pid=10319&articleid=4552
- http://www.itmen.ir/Files/104/Document/NewsPaper_PDF/1390/8/8/d33cb6589ca943d1b2905dd75728566d.pdf
- http://www.itmen.ir/index.aspx?pid=10319&articleid=2553
- http://www.itmen.ir/Files/104/Document/NewsPaper_PDF/1390/10/11/a46df0dafcf4499d961d5d599fee5c0a.pdf
- http://www.itmen.ir/Files/104/Document/NewsPaper_PDF/1390/7/24/740051d35c2048358e366114cd7682db.pdf
- http://www.itmen.ir/files/104/document/newspaper_pdf/1390/9/9/12cc6c3c08ea4c0d91684f2e7a2bb068.pdf
- http://www.itmen.ir/Files/104/Other/NewsPaper_PDF/1390/5/29/7b30b08bac7e41008568f78f31d3ae6c.pdf
- http://www.itmen.ir/Files/104/Other/NewsPaper_PDF/1390/7/11/26c5de961ace49e4b01fb603af78a14d.pdf
- and many more
- JameJam Newspaper:
- http://www.jamejamonline.ir/Media/pdfs/1390/02/25/100843591385.pdf
- http://www.jamejamonline.ir/printable.aspx?newsnum=100843584378
- http://www.jamejamonline.ir/printable.aspx?newsnum=100004187710
- http://jamejamonline.ir/Media/pdfs/1390/02/25/100843591456.pdf
- http://www.jamejamonline.ir/Media/pdfs/1389/04/20/100880136525.pdf
- http://jamejamonline.ir/archnewstext.aspx?year=1387&month=9&day=21&newsnum=100956682421
- http://www.jamejamonline.ir/newstext.aspx?newsnum=100947782269 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChazzI73 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There are much more to add, probably like 200 more newspaper and magazine articles in Farsi. I can add the links too if you think it makes a difference ChazzI73 (talk) 00:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You should probably spend some time incorporating new sources you have found into the article. About half of the sources you are currently using are primary sources and some others aren't entirely reliable. Replace anything that you can with a more reliable source from a news organization. One example of an unreliable source is the source from wikibin you use for Fereidoun Ghasemzadeh. As the CEO and founder it should be easy to find a reliable source. Also remember that Wikipedia:Other stuff exists is not an argument. Ryan Vesey Review me! 00:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy close as not rising to the scope of DRV. The nominator (or anyone else) should move it to mainspace and list at AfD. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- So, what would be the next step? I already incorporated a few of the sourced to the original article, even though they are not in English. ChazzI73 (talk) 07:26, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- SmokeyJoe, what else is there to do? It cannot be moved to the mainspace because the page has been salted. It cannot be unsalted at requests for page protection because they told us to come here. Ryan Vesey Review me! 07:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I missed that it was salted. Why was it salted and what has changed now? I'll look into that now. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:58, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It was salted because it was repeatedly recreated. It was deleted in AFD for a lack of reliable sources. I believe that the IPO caused enough reliable sources to exist that the article can be recreated; furthermore, it is written with an encyclopedic goal in mind. Ryan Vesey Review me! 08:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Allow re-creation. This is much more than enough to justify a fresh AfD if someone disagrees. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Unsalt and allow recreation - Obviously, significant new information has come to light since the AfD deletion. If you think the information in the deleted article would be useful to write a new article, request an admin to undeleate it. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How can we do that? ChazzI73 (talk) 21:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you please help here? I really don't know what is the next step! ChazzI73 (talk) 17:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Its all a waiting game here. An admin will make a decision and close the discussion at some point. I'm sorry that your experience with Wikipedia has been so difficult. Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. How it could happen?ChazzI73 (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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