- Debraj Shome (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)
This AfD was closed as no consensus with the spurious claim None of the people suggesting delete had anything to say about the sources presented by MelanieN which is the core issue.. That is completely untrue, as my comment specifically said that none of the sources provided was a reliable source from which to write a biography, and all of them were incidental mentions. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 22:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse, or change to Keep. Reasonable conclusion, but keep would have been better, because there are refs offering substantial coverage from the major Indian newspapers. Although there was concern over that what they showed him notable was not in fact major scientific discoveries but rather fringy therapies, this is not a valid objection and is founded on a misunderstanding of policy. He does not meet WP:PROF to be sure, but he does meet the GNG, which is explicitly provided for in WP:PROF as an alternative for just this sort of situation, where there is popular but not academic notability DGG ( talk ) 22:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Looking over my close I can only agree with The Mark of the Beast that the statement I made was factually incorrect. Somehow I missed the comment he made 15 February and that made me interpret his 20 February comment as a post done without considering the references presented in the AfD. I apologize for my mistake. That being said, I still consider no consensus to be the most reasonable close. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 00:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- In the "keep" corner, we have the 31 sources in the article and 5 provided by MelanieN. In the "delete" corner, we have an opinion statement that none of them are sufficient. If that opinion statement was backed up by a reasoned analysis of the sources, we might have something substantial enough to justify an overturn and relist, but with just the bare opinion statement, I'm not seeing it. The amount of attitude the nominator displays on Pax Vobiscum's talk page is noted and taken into account.—S Marshall T/C 02:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You mean the "attitude" that my comment was totally ignored? That attitude? Pax Vobiscum apologized for that oversight, but S Marshall needs to consider where I was coming from at the time, and "attitude" has no bearing on deletion discussions. I will repeat: Not a single one of the "sources" Melanie provided is any worth at all in writing a biography. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 06:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Attitude that means you waited a princely 3 minutes between raising your concern about the close and nominating the DRV. The agressive and combative way you answered queries or the complete lack of self reflection demonstrated in your responses here. Pick any one of those and maybe consider that we are completely uninvested in this close. Spartaz Humbug! 06:53, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relist What a piss poor discussion. The only well evidenced vote was from MelanieN and the delete arguments were pretty much by assertion as well as clear evidence of socking in the discussion buts is quite clear that the closing admin hasn't read the commentary properly. Non consensus is a justifiable close but reviewing the sources provided by MelanieN, I am struck that they are extremely weak and none of them are detailed enough to hang a BLP on. I'm minded because of that to suggest that we rerun the AFD but this time the delete side should actualy analyse the sources and explain individually why they think they suck by reference to policy. This process is called evidence based voting and is worth far more then a bag of attitude and a bunch of assertion. YVMM and I was half tempted to endorse by default for an agressive nomination. Spartaz Humbug! 06:53, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you calling me a sock? The Mark of the Beast (talk) 07:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you read the AFD? Did you see the first delete voter was blocked as a sock? Did you see that another participant was also blocked? Did I suggest that you were a sock? You know, the whole world does NOT revolve around you. Spartaz Humbug! 08:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Wow, WP:DICK much? The Mark of the Beast (talk) 20:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, you absolutely nailed it. Spartaz Humbug! 14:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse. Allow renomination at AfD after two months. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Because? Spartaz Humbug! 11:52, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Because the close was not unreasonable, we must endorse the close. Because AfD debates are sort of formal affairs, and because they should be expected to close with some limited finality, the close, if not faulty, should stand for a period of time. For a "no consensus" close, I think two months is an appropriate default. This case seems not so special. In the two months minimum, I suggest to the AfD denominator the he carefully compose a more convincing case for deletion than was put in this AfD. In the meantime, discussion of specific sources should be done on the talk page. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse The discussion was open plenty of time, and extending it is unlikely to get more interest. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Endorse closure When it was closed, this AfD had already been relisted four times, which is generally the maximum allowed. Relisting it again would have been ridiculous, and the discussion as it stood could not have been closed any other way. Most of those advocating deletion were either overly vague in their rationale or based their vote on the proposition that Shome failed WP:PROF. Other than Mark, no one addressed the sources raised by MelanieN as evidence of Shome's notability under WP:ANYBIO, and even his comment on those sources didn't go into much detail. As a result, this discussion was fundamentally unsatisfactory and further deliberation over the notability of the subject should be encouraged. However, it's far too soon to be relisting the article at AfD yet again; therefore, I am instead suggesting that Mark or any other interested editor start an analytical discussion of MelanieN's sources on WP:N/N. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 03:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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