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Category:31st-century BC rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename and re-parent accordingly. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More WP:CATSPECIFIC. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 4#Category:32nd-century BC rulers. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former observer states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st-century women prime ministers in Europe[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 18#Category:21st-century women prime ministers in Europe

Category:Dayak Culture[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 21:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:Dayak people probably suffices as I can't identify any other article which should be added to this category. Considering WP:SMALLCAT, I don't believe that when an "[ethnic group]" category exists, there should automatically be an "[ethnic group] culture" subcat as a part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. If keeping, rename to Dayak culture. —Alalch E. 16:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bigg Boss Malayalam contestants[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 18#Category:Bigg Boss Malayalam contestants

Category:Catalan manuscripts[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Section header on discussion page[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close: the category has already been deleted (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Hi, so I created this category Category:Lisa (Thai vocalist) in 2023 by mistake. How is that?? Well, I thought that I was working on Wikimeda Commons but it turned out otherwise.
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Bulgarian monarchs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: downmerge/rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, more accurately describing these as monarchs of the country rather than suggesting it is by nationality in any country. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle Category:19th-century monarchs of Bulgaria and Category:20th-century monarchs of Bulgaria, surely? "Bulgary" is not a thing (perhaps confused with Hungary?).  Fixed Otherwise I agree. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes you are right, that was a subconscious assocation. I fixed it right now. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Important distinction between early medieval Bulgars (Turkic people from Volga Bolghar, gradually Slavicised) and modern Bulgaria. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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And associates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCASSOC, this contains articles loosely related to one of the warlords during the end of the Han dynasty. Note that many articles are more specifically in a warlords, generals, government officials or family subcategory and those subcategories can of course stay. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dutch Empire[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Any other categories not listed here can be brought to speedy and renamed there (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D Dutch colonial empire, recently renamed by WP:RM. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You know, there are a lot of "Dutch empire" categories other than just this one. Will you be arguing that they should all be changed? Liz Read! Talk! 19:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scandinavian history[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D History of Scandinavia. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. This could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I generally don't list speedies except WP:C2A and WP:C2E. All others I have found to be potentially contestable, so I list them here. Should I do more speedies? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • In general (not specifically in your case) C2E can be more contestable than C2D. C2D will nearly always remain uncontested especially when (as in the nomination above) it is follow-up on a recent RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Alright, I'll take that into account, thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Swiss chronicles[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 18#Category:Swiss chronicles

Category:Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-parent ? (let's discuss this in the comments)
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C grandchild Category:Pharaohs in the Bible (and its main article Pharaohs in the Bible), item Cyrus the Great in the Bible, siblings Category:Women in the Hebrew Bible and Category:Giants in the Hebrew Bible. In the recent CfM "Biblical rulers by century", some people already suggested "in" was better than "of". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Possible re-parenting Category:Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible currently has the following parents: Category:Hebrew Bible people (seems perfectly fine), Category:Monarchs in Africa (questionable, will probably only apply to grandchild Category:Pharaohs in the Bible, and even then it is questionable); Category:Middle Eastern monarchs (questionable and potentially anachronistic), and Category:Jewish monarchs (does not apply to non-Israelite monarchs). Some monarchs mentioned in the Hebrew Bible definitely existed as historical people, but other monarchs have been found by scholars to be literary characters: probably fictional, serving a narrative function in a moralistic story, but not based on historical people. Therefore, I hesitate to apply "in Africa" and "[in the] Middle East" as parents, because some of these monarchs seem to only exist in the pages of the Hebrew Bible, but not in history, nor in geography. Category:Hebrew Bible people is a great-grandchild of Category:People by religious text, alongside Category:Book of Mormon people, Category:People of the Quran, Category:Characters in the Mahabharata, Category:Characters in the Ramayana etc. The existence of a lot of, say, Book of Mormon rulers such as Laman and Lemuel, is also disputed, and we should not put them in categories/trees such as Category:Monarchs in North America. But they and monarchs in the Hebrew Bible could theoretically be put in a child category of Category:People by religious text named Category:Monarchs by religious text. Would that be a good idea? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There have been no comments thus far about the nominator's proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename of to in, per above, and category parenting can be addressed at editorial discretion. - jc37 21:44, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 18#Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco

Category:Georges Matheron Lectureship recipients[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:OCAWARD & WP:NONDEFINING
The International Association for Mathematical Geosciences hosts several lecture series including the Distinguished Lecture, the Bullerwell Lecture, and this one, the Georges Matheron Lecture. It's considered an honour to be invited but this performance isn't treated as defining in the biography articles, generally getting mentioned in a list with other honours. The category contents are already listed right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Statutes dealing with Confederate monuments and memorials[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME, WP:C2C and maybe WP:IDONTLIKEIT
This category contains 4 articles legislation forbidding the removal of Confederate statues and there is growth potential. After looking at dozens of articles about "statues" in this category tree, I kept misreading "statutes" in the category's name and I suspect that can happen to other readers. Most but not all of the subcategories of Category:Statutory law by topic already use "legislation" and the proposed naming format. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That would work too. - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Berber dynasties[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 18#Category:Berber dynasties

Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs established in 1809[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 18#Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs established in 1809

Category:Palestinian charities[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Don't merge There is a consensus that the parent category needs to be cleaned up before any merge can happen. (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 01:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: unique Palestine categories in Category:Charities by country Estopedist1 (talk) 18:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There are concerns about the scope of several categories outside the scope of the CfD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose, it is not clear whether the organizations in this category are based in the State of Palestine. The articles need to become more explicit about it before we can do this merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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