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Category:Cultural depictions of Libyan men[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cultural depictions of Libyan people and Category:Cultural depictions of men. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one category in here that is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom but dual merge also to Category:Cultural depictions of men. Honestly I think that that whole tree should go per WP:EGRS but currently it exists so it is a proper merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The whole tree is helpful and should absolutely not be merged, there needs to be difusion on these kinds of categories.★Trekker (talk) 10:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Captives of Native Canadians[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Captives of First Nations people. No prejudice against proposing the category be renamed again. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Sibling is Captives of Native Americans Mason (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support renaming AHI-3000 (talk) 01:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support First Nations is the preferred term for Indigenous Canadian people who are not Métis or Inuit. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mauritian people by occupation and century[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here that's not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rodrigues people by occupation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here that's not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Qatari people by period[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Not helpful for navigation with only one category in it Mason (talk) 17:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • For two subcategories this extra category layer is still redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic missionaries in pre-1776 British North America[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Either merge to parent category OR if kept rename to Roman Catholic missionaries in British North America. This is an underpopulated category that is too narrow because BNA doesn't exist until 1783. Per the parent category description "British North America (1783–1907) — the colonies and territories of the British Empire remaining in continental North America after the end of the American Revolutionary War for independence in 1783." Mason (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, the only article is about a 17th-century missionary, well before British North America was established. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as a small category. The subject served in Maryland. The category is accurate, but it should be in "in Thirteen Colonies", if kept, but would need populating. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British East Africa[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Identical category. British East Africa redirect to East Africa Protectorate Mason (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Disease-related deaths in Nazi Germany[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated (including those added later). (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't think the intersection between political regime and disease-related deaths is defining in this case (or really any case...) Mason (talk) 04:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Nazi Germany wasn't a separate country, it was Germany in a certain period. Accidental deaths and its subcategory may be added here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update. @Marcocapelle:. I've nominated most of the nazi death categories. I think that we should either merge the parent category Category:Deaths in Nazi Germany, as I think that folks will continue to be added to the category if we don't. Or find a way to make it extremely clear that this is a container category for a very narrow scope.

Additional noms per Marcocapelle. Mason (talk) 19:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge 4 of them, I agree that people will continue to be added to the root category if we don't merge it. The only category I am somewhat hesitant about is Category:Suicides in Nazi Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I also hesitated with the suicide category. But there is a child category in there for "Nazis who committed suicide in Nazi Germany‎" (and actually there's a child category already for Category:Nazis who committed suicide in Germany), so I do think we wouldn't lose the regime specific aspect of the suicide category. Mason (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even so, there are quite a few other Nazi-period-related suicides (socialists, Jews, LGBT people). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I don't think "in Nazi Germany" is a good categorization for suicides of Nazis or people persecuted by the Nazis, because many of these suicides occurred outside the borders of Nazi Germany. Additionally, it's unclear whether "in Nazi Germany" count the prewar borders (as is the norm with current conflicts) or some other borders. So I think this category, if kept, should be renamed to something thematically not geographically specific. (t · c) buidhe 22:37, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Britsh sportspeople by descent[edit]

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Category:Tangut officials[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Tangut people and Category:Chinese government officials. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category that's presently not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Papua New Guinea national football team results[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Papua New Guinea national soccer team. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with no chance of being increased Joseph2302 (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Papua New Guinea national football team matches[edit]

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Category:James Goldsmith[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. There is weak consensus that the category is not defining. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCASSOC. Category description is "links to the companies which James Goldsmith owned or was involved with, and includes individuals whom worked for him" -- but companies he was "involved with", but not the outright owner of, do not belong in an eponymous category for him, and neither do individuals who worked for him. And on a random spotcheck of a handful of articles in this category, every one I checked failed to mention James Goldsmith at all apart from the category declaration itself, meaning they certainly weren't defined by any involvement on his part. Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep First on list AB Felix purchased by Cavenham Foods in 1972, wholly owned by Cavenham from 1976 (referenced). Cavenham Foods was created by James Goldsmith as per the opening line of the article. Second, Ambrosia (food brand), owned by Bovril (though admittedly not on the page which has an improvement header). Bovril was purchased by Cavenham in 1971 as per article (all referenced on Bovril). Amora (mustard), again does not mention Goldsmith, but if you check both the Cavenham and Generale Occidentale page you will see this (again this page has an article improvement notice as it is not correct). Carr's again states purchased by Cavenham (referenced). Chocolat Poulain was purchased by James Goldsmith company Generale Occidentale as referenced on that page. Colonial Stores was purchased by Grand Union (supermarket) owned by Goldsmith (referenced on the Grand Union page). Crown Zellerbach again has referenced that Goldsmith purchased the business in 1985. Diamond Match Company again 1982 and referenced. Elizabeth Shaw (confectionery company) again is referenced to show owned by Goldsmith's Cavenham. L'Express as per article purchased 1977. Roland Franklin again mentions Goldsmith. Floyd Hall was appointed by Goldsmith to Grand Union as referenced in article. Home and Colonial Stores again purchased by Goldsmith's Cavenham as referenced. Lipton doesn't mention Goldsmith but says it was part of Allied Suppliers which links to Home and Colonial page. Maille (company) doesn't mention Goldsmith but was owned by Generale Occidentale and is referenced there. Presses de la Cité States it was sold to Generale Occidentale, owned by Goldsmith. Presto (UK supermarket) again doesn't mention Goldsmith but mentions Allied Suppliers. RS McColl mentions owned by Cavenham. Synthol (mouthwash) does not mention any ownership history, but as per Cavenham page is referenced as being owned by them. Weingarten's again referenced to show purchased by Cavenham. Wright's Biscuits again says purchased by Cavenham. So all of these companies were either owned Cavenham, Generale Occidentale or Goldsmith's other holding companies (General Oriental/ Trocadero are just two). The others were people who worked for or with Goldsmith. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, WP:OCASSOC. People who "worked for or with Goldsmith" are not defined by Goldsmith — and even if he owned a company, that company is still not defined by his ownership if its own article can't be arsed to even mention his name at all. Nothing is defined by Goldsmith until its article contains several substantial paragraphs about Goldsmith's direct personal relationship with it — even if he owned a company or employed a person, that's not a defining relationship if the article doesn't directly contextualize the significance of that relationship in its own body text. Bearcat (talk) 16:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you read Cavenham Foods or Generale Occidentale you will see these are all referenced there after I have rewritten these articles over the last months to improve the articles. I am still in the process of adding to the other articles, when I get the chance (Maille and Chocolate Poulin were both sold to Danone predecessor which is not even mentioned in the article!). They are all directly linked to Goldsmith. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I can see company associations being defining for founders, but we're talking about someone who bought and sold companies (arguably as a corporate raider) so this feels like akin to WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep James Goldsmith was a notable (if controversial) entrepreneur. He was a leading executive of several public companies in which he had major shareholdings. At worst, rename to Category:Cavenham Foods. However this business empire was created by Goldsmith and broken up from 1978 and dissolved in 1986. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Deaths in the Kingdom of Bavaria[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete the first, merge the second. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 22:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: small underpopulated cat where regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 13:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 14:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete 1st, deaths by country should be a container category by cause of death. Country of death in itself is redundant, as it largely overlaps with nationality.
Oppose 2nd, the two suicides happened before the German Empire was established. Possibly merge it to Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adam Darr dies in Augsburg. Heinrich Julius Alexander von Kalb shot himself "near Munich". Augsburg and Munich are in Germany. So Category:Suicides in Germany is perfectly fine (see also reasoning above). Place Clichy (talk) 10:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Deaths in the Kingdom of Prussia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: small underpopulated cat where regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 13:20, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 14:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete 1st, deaths by country should be a container category by cause of death. Country of death in itself is redundant, as it largely overlaps with nationality.
Oppose 2nd, the two suicides happened before the German Empire was established. Possibly merge it to Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Louise Brachmann drowned herself in Halle. Friedrich Eduard Beneke dies in Berlin. Halle and Berlin are in Germany. Hence Category:Suicides in Germany is a perfectly fine merge target. And even if we wanted to slice topic categories by every possible intersection of past and present country and political regime, the German nation certainly predates the establishment of the Empire in 1871, and 19th-century Germans felt Germans, as e.g. the German revolutions of 1848–1849 would indicate. Place Clichy (talk) 10:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree with the logic that having a common term for people with the same language implies a nationality. The concept of nationality is linked to a state, not to language. Likewise the term Arab Spring does not imply that there is an Arab nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that language does not imply nationality. However, the concept of nationality is linked to that of nation, more that with that of state. As sometimes, nations predate states, as is especially obvious in the case of German, Italian and Polish nations in the 19th century. Goethe is a German writer, the most famous of all, in the sense of German nationality, not language. Plus in the case of Germany, people in the two nominated category actually dies at the time of either the German Confederation or the Confederation of the Rhine, so a German state, albeit a confederation, existed at the time. Place Clichy (talk) 09:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge to Germany categories as these are fairly small categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works set in computers[edit]

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Category:Deliquescent substances[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Deliquescent materials. No opposition in two weeks. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:Materials and its subcats. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Preserved beam engines[edit]

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Category:Deities in Taoism[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In line with other deity categories e.g Category:Hindu deities and to be aligned to Category:Taoist mythology Redtigerxyz Talk 13:35, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paintings of black people[edit]

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Category:Fictional characters with spirit possession or body swapping abilities[edit]

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Category:Fictional magicians and sorcerers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Straight up overlap here with essentially the same topic. I don't mind renaming the older category to something like "Fictional magicians" after the merge is complete, but we don't need two separate categories on the same thing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose alternative since witches and wizards are the most specific characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional characters who use magic by occupation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merege as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Made by a blocked user. The amount of categories here that can actually be called an occupation is too small to make this category necessary. "Spiritual medium" does not imply being a magician either, IMO, so that should likely be purged anyway. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'd go the full way: None of these except Category:Fictional spiritual mediums are definitely occupations. I'm unsure if Category:Magical superheroes and Category:Magical supervillains count. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that deities and superheroes belong under magicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Then we could move them over to "characters who use magic". AHI-3000 (talk) 17:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • (response added after relisting) that is exactly what the nomination intends. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      I meant moving deities and superheroes over to the "characters who use magic" category, while everything else should go in the "magicians and sorcerers" category. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional hypnotists and indoctrinators[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename and purge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I propose removing "indoctrinators", and purging any non-hypnotists from the category, as the definition of such a person is vague at best and can include almost anyone who is a charismatic leader. There are better fitting categories such as Category:Fictional commanders etc. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename. We should really reduce this "Fictional Xs and Ys" naming pattern as much we can. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename and purge per nom, an indoctrinator is quite something different. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pharmacists from the Russian Empire[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus leaning keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I propose broadening the scope of this category as right now there is no Russian pharmacist category, and the current category doesn't need to intersect with regime Mason (talk) 20:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
However, see this comment from the page creator @Johnpacklambert [1] for a different opinion. Mason (talk) 23:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Political regime is not defining in this case. The nationality here is Russian. Place Clichy (talk) 00:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of the articles is in an Estonian category. We need to figure out how to treat Russian Empire people, Russian people and e.g. Estonian people in relationship to each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a fair point. I think that making an Estonian pharamist category and perhaps reparenting 19th-century estonian people would do the trick? Mason (talk) 15:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Our guide should be reliable sources. If someone is primarily defined as Estonian, then they should firstly be in a Estonian fooer category. If they are primarily defined as an Estonian within the Russian Empire, then in most cases I would place the article in three categories: Estonian fooers, Russian fooers and Estonians in the Russian Empire. This logic can be applied to every empire of every period of history, or for everybody whose RS-supported nationality is different from that of the state they lived in or its modern-day equivalent. Place Clichy (talk) 21:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Russian fooers is inaccurate especially in case of e.g. Estonians. Fooers from the Russian Empire would be more accurate. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      That's not always inaccurate. Military people who fought in a war and wore a Russian uniform, albeit by loyalty or obligation to the state, deserve to be called Russian. That's less obvious for pharmacists (although pharmacists also do military service like everyone I believe), that's why I'm inclined to go by reliable sources primarily. Place Clichy (talk) 11:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 21:47, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I still think it is better to call them "from the Russian Empire" in order to not confuse this with Russian ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as last comment. Being a subject of the Russian Empire and of Estonian ethnicity are not contradictory, as Estonia was part of the Empire at the time. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2000s in Yugoslavia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename/redirect.
Nominator's rationale: Uses ambiguous 'Yugoslavia'; it should be either this or Serbia and Montenegro, as the country spent 3 years as FRY and 3 as S&M in this decade. Joy (talk) 11:39, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I just mentioned this fact, in case it could influence the closure decision. Liz Read! Talk! 01:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1996 elections in Yugoslavia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Uses "Yugoslav" for FR Yugoslavia which is ambiguous. Used to be subcategorized under breakup of Yugoslavia, but that happened five years prior. Joy (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2002–03 in Yugoslav ice hockey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:2002–03 in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia ice hockey. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category at least has 2 entries, and they refer to the FR Yugoslavia team as such, happening just around the time of the rename to Serbia and Montenegro. Joy (talk) 11:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2001–02 in Yugoslav ice hockey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:2002 in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia sport. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same as the others, just has 2001 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships. Joy (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2000–01 in Yugoslav ice hockey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:2001 in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia sport. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Uses "Yugoslav" for FR Yugoslavia which is ambiguous, contains just the single entry of the 2001 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships, while the team listed there is named Serbia and Montenegro men's national junior ice hockey team anyway. Joy (talk) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1996–97 in Yugoslav ice hockey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:1997 in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia sport. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Uses "Yugoslav" for FR Yugoslavia which is ambiguous, contains just the single entry of the 1997 IIHF European U18 Championship, while the team listed there is named Serbia and Montenegro men's national under-18 ice hockey team anyway. Joy (talk) 11:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Collection of Walter P. Chrysler Museum[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Idiomatic English; cf. how the museum's name is treated in the article body: The Walter P. Chrysler Museum was a car museum in Auburn Hills, Michigan... Ham II (talk) 10:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maps of the Ottoman Empire[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, it does not contain any article about a map. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 16:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maps of empires[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge for now, there are only two subcategories which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 16:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bruneian people by period[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. as there's only one category in here, and it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 06:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional demons and devils[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: These new names would be shorter and more concise. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (no oppose): if there aren't any fictional devils in here, and if this category is renamed, then Category:Devils may be removed as a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's fine with me, "devil" is pretty much just a synonym for "demon" anyways. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:19th-century churches in Scotland[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping cat Mason (talk) 04:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Downmerge per nom, it is even identical rather than overlapping. (The parent categories need to be moved manually in case of a downmerge.) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- obviously essentially identical. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maps of former countries[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There's only one category in this tree, and it's not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, meanwhile there are two subcategories but that is still not very helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:University controversies[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:University controversies

Category:Immigrants to British Hong Kong[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 13#Category:Immigrants to British Hong Kong

Category:Businesspeople from British Hong Kong[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge as nominated. No opposition in a week. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 15:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category where the intersection isn't defining. There's no need to split category by which nation was in control of hong kong Mason (talk) 04:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clinical trials sponsored by Eli Lilly and Company[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Eli Lilly and Company and Category:Clinical trials. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same deal, only one entry is a clinical trial and the other should be recategorized under Category:Eli Lilly and Company brands (t · c) buidhe 03:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 04:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clinical trials sponsored by GSK plc[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:GSK plc and Category:Clinical trials. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one item in the category is a clinical trial; the other would be better categorized under "GSK plc brands‎" which is for drugs developed by GSK. I don't feel a one item category with little prospect of expansion (very few clinical trials are independently notable) (t · c) buidhe 03:35, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 04:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clinical trials sponsored by Bristol Myers Squibb[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Neither of the category's contents are clinical trials (t · c) buidhe 03:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 04:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Blanco family[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two people (a husband-wife pair) in this category. It's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Holden family[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two people (a father son pair) in this category. It's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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