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Category:Santali-speaking people by occupation[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 2#Category:Santali-speaking people by occupation

Category:Bestselling Swedish-language authors[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Bestselling category is vague/not-defining. Mason (talk) 20:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:19th-century referees and umpires[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 2#Category:19th-century referees and umpires

Category:Armenian Eastern Catholics[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. This is clean-up after this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison and Fayenatic london: courtesy ping to participants in previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Martial artists[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 2#Category:Martial artists

Category:19th-century players of American football[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 2#Category:19th-century players of American football

Category:19th-century tennis players[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete categories; only covers one century; no other sport has a category by century. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. no other sport has a category by century - I've just taken a look at Category:19th-century_sportspeople and I see "19th-century chess players", "19th-century martial artists‎" etc. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Deltaspace42, I did notice that but a long while after I nominated this! I've cut it out. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, the fact that there aren't 20th-century and 21st-century categories is not decisive. A 19th-century category is relevant for historical purposes, which would not apply to the 20th and 21st century. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep per marco Mason (talk) 20:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- We deleted a lot of 20th century categories some years ago, becasue they were being used for a current/past distinction, which we do not allow. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per above arguments. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tennis people[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge to parent categories. Does not apply to a lot of people. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women referees and umpires[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 2#Category:Women referees and umpires

Category:Politicians born in Kocaeli[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 5#Category:Politicians born in Kocaeli

Category:People from New York City by neighborhood[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. Hopefully XFDcloser works? The button showed up so I take that as a good sign..... (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: Narrow category targets per WP:NARROWCAT WP:OC. No need to further categorize occupations by neighborhoods when they are already categorized by boroughs. Dual merge to parent categories. (edit: added to my rationale) Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: have expanded nominations to add similar categorizations from other NYC boroughs. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:50, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Emigrants from the Principality of Montenegro[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Principality of Montenegro. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. No need to make the distinction between political regimes Mason (talk) 00:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to just Category:People from the Principality of Montenegro per Marcocapelle. Place Clichy (talk) 07:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hazzans[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale The Hebrew plural of hazzan is hazzanim. Since the singular Hebrew hazzan is being used on Wikipedia (as opposed to the English "cantor"), then the plural should be used as well. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 09:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose. Unnecessary renaming, wiktionary says both are acceptable: plural hazzans or hazzanim). Moreover, there is an article: Timeline of women hazzans. If the categories are renamed, we should also rename this article. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Hazzans or cantors are acceptable plurals. No need to be more papist than the Pope here. Place Clichy (talk) 08:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Deaths in British India[edit]

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Category:Kuni no miyatsuko[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against renomination. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I already created two awkward split categories of Category:Kuni no miyatsuko position holders‎ and Category:Kuni_no_miyatsukoates which also might need renaming

Kuni no MIyatsuko is an ancient JApanese noble title. Lets talk about it in analogy to a count

Category:Kuni_no_miyatsuko is countly families and titles. Category:Kuni no miyatsuko position holders‎ is counts Category:Kuni_no_miyatsukoates is counties (places ruled by a count)

All three need some kind of renaming

This is all rather awkward and clumsy but we need to make the distinction. IT is also worth noting Japanese wikipedia does not make the distinction, so there titleholders, titles, families, and lands are all grouped together

At the moment all articles about titles are in reference to a single family with the title. While this may not always be the case in the indefinite future, I see a split in this direction as not being necessary right now, and likely never necessary since I am unaware of a dynastic change in such titles, only of families that had the title and are still significant after it was abolished. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 22:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear there is zero basis in any literature for Category:Kuni no miyatsukoates as a term. I just provisionally used it in analogy to Khanate or Shogunate
An alternative reading of the characters is "Kokuzo" but that one is more ambiguous and I believe a less common but still present reading. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Request: @Immanuelle Could you consolidate your nomination? It's hard to easily digest what and why you're advocating. Mason (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison I changed my mind about the whole thing, Now currently Category:Kuni no miyatsuko is a container category for the three other categories. But I still think all of them need to be renamed to fit MOS Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 09:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional British characters by descent[edit]

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Category:Newspaper chain founders[edit]

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Category:People from Assam Province[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Assam. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 20:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge, there is no need to split people at subnational level to before and after Indian independence. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ibero-American awards[edit]

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Category:Electronic dance music record labels[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Electronic music record labels. No opposition in two weeks. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Both categories encompass the same group of articles: record labels which release electronic music. The term is more commonly known as "Electronic music", and the need for a second category is superfluous. Jalen Folf (talk) 23:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional Jewish women[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional Jews. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Category:Fictional Jewish women to Category:Fictional Jews
Rationale: Do we really need this? We have no other categories which sort female fictional characters by their ethnicity or religion. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Berber Islamists[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 2#Category:Berber Islamists

Category:Arms traders[edit]

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