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Category:Genes on human chromosome[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Human genes. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:05, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Since all genes are located on chromosomes, it seems that categorizing genes "by chromosome" is logical and titling the category that way seems grammatically correct. Gjs238 (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:11th-century women rulers[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 23#Category:11th-century women rulers

Category:History of the Jews in Western Europe[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:History of the Jews in Europe by country. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 15#Category:Religion in Western Europe by country, upmerging Category:Jews and Judaism in Western Europe and Category:Jews and Judaism in Europe by region to Category:Jews and Judaism in Europe Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, redundant category layer between continent and country. There aren't any overarching articles about Jews in the entirety of Western Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, especially for Judaism which has a huge difference between Jews from Western European and Eastern European ancestry. I don't think having this cat hurts anything, when on the contrary it can benefit. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt merge 1 added: I just found out that the "in Western Europe" cat is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of the "in Europe by country" cat; "in Western Europe" has nothing unique that "in Europe by country" doesn't already have as well (except a long irrelevant catdesc about the UN geoscheme). @Marcocapelle and Sir Joseph: For your information. I prefer this option over upmerging to "in Europe". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support the alt merge 1. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tropical cyclones in 1891[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge into the main category per WP:SMALLCAT. NoahTalk 20:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Education in Western Europe[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCATs & WP:REDUNDANTFORKs: all subcategories are country-based and already in Category:Education in Europe by country. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, redundant category layer between continent and country. There is only one entry that encompasses multiple countries in a region, namely Category:Sloyd, this may be moved to Category:Education in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah well-spotted! I had already moved the article there, I hadn't seen there was also a category.
    The contents of Sloyd are mostly about Finland, Sweden and the United States, not all of Northern Europe and not limited to even Europe as a whole. I'm not sure if we should try to limit a concept like this geographically, because it has evidently spread far beyond its origins. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article says it is still taught as a compulsory subject in Finnish, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian schools, so it is not unreasonable to have it in Category:Education in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Ok. Although it might make more sense to have it in Education in Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway than in Education in Europe? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Terrorism in Western Europe[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCATs & WP:REDUNDANTFORKs: all subcategories are country-based and already in Category:Terrorism in Europe by country. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, redundant category layer between continent and country. There aren't any overarching articles about terrorism in the entirety of e.g. Western Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Economy of Southern Europe[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCATs and redundant layers. All Wealth in Fooland categories are already in Category:Wealth in Europe by country. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, redundant category layer between continent and country. There aren't any overarching articles about wealth or economy in the entirety of e.g. Southern Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tornadoes of 1091[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Tornadoes, Category:19th-century tornadoes and Category:20th-century tornadoes (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename so other small categories may be merged in per WP:SMALLCAT. NoahTalk 20:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Partial support: There is a parent article for Tornadoes of 1946 (to present year), and a currently a project for 1945’s parent article (User:WeatherWriter/1945 Tornado Checklist). Since there isn’t a parent article for 1945 yet, I would support the categorical naming for Category:Pre-1946 tornadoes, but I’m opposed to grouping 46-49 into a Pre-1950 category, given they all have an article titled their current category. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @WeatherWriter: It doesn't matter whether or not there is a parent article. Any category with less than 5 articles shouldn't exist unless it is a maintenance category which is what WP:SMALLCAT basically states. NoahTalk 20:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hurricane Noah:, where did you see the part about anything less than 5 articles, because what you linked, WP:SMALLCAT, doesn’t mention that? Also, looking at SMALLCAT, I see the clause, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme and Note also that this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth. Could you explain why these tornado categories (Example being 1946, Category:Tornadoes of 1946‎, has an article), wouldn’t fit the larger categorization scheme, since it is under Category:1946 meteorology, which is under a parent category of Category:Meteorology by year? Continuing with the 1946 example, the category has 4 entries, excluding the parent article (titled Tornadoes of 1946). Wouldn’t that fit under the clause that it has a realistic potential for growth, given that you mentioned a category needs 5 entries, and it is only 1 entry away, if you exclude the parent article? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    SMALLCAT specifically mentions a FEW articles and five is more than a few. That is also the same standard that has been applied to other categories in the past. Large categorization schemes are redundant when they do not serve the reader and editors in navigation. This is a clearcut example of overcategorization since it does not serve readers and editors to have only one to a few articles in these small categories. The overall meteorology categories have sufficient article count where these tornado ones do not. Potential for those categories to grow is clearly slim to none considering sources are sparse for tornadoes in this era. Creating a single parent article isn't much of a potential for growth. NoahTalk 21:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Why would we remove all these articles from the relevant categories of meteorology by year? The proposal is non-constructive at best, and damaging for categorization at worse. Dimadick (talk) 21:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dimadick: And why should we have tons of categories with only 1 to 3 articles in them? That doesn't serve our editors and readers well in the least. Should they be merged into the meteorology category for their specific year instead? NoahTalk 21:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt split merge to Category:Tornadoes, Category:19th-century tornadoes and Category:20th-century tornadoes in order to comply with more common periodization. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support this. NoahTalk 21:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Alt split merge Gjs238 (talk) 11:08, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Geography of Northwestern Europe[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 23#Category:Geography of Northwestern Europe

Category:Society of Western Europe[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT and WP:REDUNDANTFORK; all by country cats are already in target cat. It might be that nothing needs to be merged and everything can be deleted, but just in case we might miss something I propose to merge. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 31#Category:Archaeological cultures of Western Europe and its precedents. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fellows of the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 23#Category:Fellows of the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

Purging nationality categories from Arab people[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 23#Purging nationality categories from Arab people

Category:Underwater diving people[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 14:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too vague to be useful · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Categories with disallowed fraction characters[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 23#Categories with disallowed fraction characters

Category:11th-century establishments in Ukraine[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 23#Category:11th-century establishments in Ukraine

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