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Category:Bunkface[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 15#Category:Bunkface

Category:UK MPs 1832–1835[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 02:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category tree for UK MPs divides them by Parliament. The dates given are from the election until the Parliament is dissolved, when everyone ceases to be an MP and is re-elected (or not, as the case may be).
In this case, however, Parliament was dissolved on December 29 1834, and the first polling in the 1835 United Kingdom general election was on 6 January 1835. This parliament should thus be correctly dated 1832-34, rather than 1832-35; strictly speaking, no-one remained an MP into 1835 from that term.
This is consistent with how the History of Parliament handles it; they list MPs who stood down at this election as serving until "1834", rather than "1835" (see eg here or here.) As far as I am aware this is the only modern election where the dissolution and election fell in different years, so no other category needs changed to align with this Andrew Gray (talk) 21:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support To reflect the dissolution of the Parliament in 1834. Dimadick (talk) 11:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Only those already deeply immersed in the history of the UK House of Commons will be aware that the dissolution was two days before the start of 1835. To them, this will make sense .... but to others it will be a source of puzzlement as they wonder why there appears to have been a gap. They will be asking whether this was like the medieval or early modern eras, when there sometimes many years with no parliament called. That puzzlement may lead them to details outlined above ... but that is not what categories are for.
Per WP:CATP, the primary purpose of categories is navigation. But this piece of well-intentioned pedantry will impede navigation by adding a surprise factor which distracts from the prime purpose. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do not think we should not deliberately keep a mistake just because the actual date distracts. If people are curious why there is a gap they should read the main article. Wikipedia is for reading articles, after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I think this one goes both ways - I nominated it because I got a bit confused as to why the category didn't seem to reconcile with the sources, and thought it would be a good idea to avoid that confusion in future. I guess whichever approach we use some small fraction of readers will be puzzled/surprised! Andrew Gray (talk) 22:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. What I mean is to remain consistent between the Category name and the practice in Article space. Wikipedia is for reading articles, after all, not categories. The practice for individual MP articles is that the MP's period of office is treated as ending on the day of the succeeding general election. That has been debated several times and confirmed as being the sensible choice. The only special feature about this category is that the year change took place in the dissolution. It would be sensible to add an explanation to the introductory text on the category page which currently reads
Members of Parliament (MPs) of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom, elected to the 11th Parliament of the United Kingdom (1832–1835) This includes MPs elected in the 1832 United Kingdom general election and those subsequently elected in by-elections.
to add a sentence saying This Parliament was dissolved in December 1834 in advance of the 1835 general election. Sussexonian (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Sussexonian: what exact practice in article space should this be consistent with? I can't find an article with 1832–1834 or 1832–1835 in the name. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per bhg. It's not like I'm going to disagree with bhg in this area! Johnbod (talk) 16:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Hubert Parry[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 15#Category:Hubert Parry

Category:Jewish communities in Poland[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 15#Category:Jewish communities in Poland

Category:German Jewish communities[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 15#Category:German Jewish communities

Category:Vehicle manufacturers by country[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: not merged Pretty strong consensus not to downmerge, but future cases could be made to upmerge several of these categories. bibliomaniac15 02:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose merging
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of Algeria to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Algeria
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of Austria to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Austria
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of Germany to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Germany
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of Nigeria to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Nigeria
Category:Vehicle manufacturing companies of Russia to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Russia
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of Spain to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Spain
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of Ukraine to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Ukraine
Category:Vehicle manufacturers of the United States to Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of the United States
Category:Vehicle manufacturing companies based in Wisconsin to Category:Manufacturing companies based in Wisconsin and Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of the United States
Nominator's rationale: The proposal will bring these seven countries into line with the category: Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers by country which has 86 “by-country” categories. Hugo999 (talk) 02:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If only some categories and articles need to be moved down to "Motor vehicle manufacturers of …" or up to "Manufacturing companies of … " then just go ahead and move them. That does not require a merge proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suppose it's better to start a fresh discussion for them (also please propose upmerge rather than downmerge). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:BBC television comedy[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 02:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Television" refers to BBC Television. Some subcats would have to be renamed as well. Fuddle (talk) 21:47, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 00:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. BBC Television no longer exists, having been chopped up in 2016. So the lowercase television is more accurate. ---BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, if kept the parent Category:BBC Television shows should probably be nominated for renaming the other way around. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not going to dive into this category as there are too many entries, but this category is for television shows produced by BBC Television. Any programs not produced by it shouldn't be there. Regardless if the studio is still operating or not, this category should exist. --Gonnym (talk) 11:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
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