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Medieval years in religion[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: manually merge all. Pinging the nominator @Marcocapelle, who offered to perform the manual merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
more categories to be merged
Nominator's rationale: manually merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly only one article or one subcategory in a category. Note that from a practical perspective by far most of these categories can plainly be deleted because the content is already somewhere else in the tree of both merge targets, for example in Category:1009 in Europe and Category:11th-century papal bulls. However this has to be checked manually. If desired I will volunteer to sort this out. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Nevertheless, I would be unhappy if you started merging separate articles on Christian and Islamic matters together into religion, which ought primarily to be a container. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That will certainly not happen because all centuries in religion categories mentioned above are diffused into Christianity and Islam. That is exactly the reason why a manual merge is needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Harzer Wandernadel[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. While I acknowledge that the category has a well-defined scope, the arguments to delete are more convincing (per WP:NONDEF) and supported by precedent. The discussion below did not establish, and nor could I by sampling the category, that this meets the threshold of a "defining characteristic" as described at WP:NONDEF. While most articles do mention that the subject is a checkpoint on the Harzer Wandernadel, that fact is usually presented as incidental to whatever else the subject is primarily. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:28, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The text of this category says it is for locations on the trails network and the category contains castles, dams, villages etc (e.g. Bode Gorge) for which being on a hiking trail is non-defining. A list of places on the trail might be appropriate (and could list places in order).  Example of previous similar CFD: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_7#Category:Places_on_the_Road_of_St_James. The following articles may need to be upmerged to Category:Hiking trails in Germany: Harzer Wandernadel, Harzer Hexenstieg, Goethe Way DexDor (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is not a random list of places on a hiking trail network (which I agree would be "non-defining"); it is a defined and published set of exactly 222 checkpoints that hikers have to visit in order to achieve the top hiking award in the Harz Mountains. --Bermicourt (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NONDEF. Being a landmarks on a trail is not a defining characteristic of these castles, dams, villages etc. They are already listed at Harzer Wandernadel. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We have habitually not allowed "places on roads/paths" categories. They represent the same kind of category clutter, which means that we do not usually allow performance and venue categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment We need to understand the difference here. Of course, listing random objects on a path is pointless, I agree. But that's not what this is. It's a set of 222 geographical and historical landmarks selected by the authorities to promote the Harz Mountains. And they're not on a road or path; they're a finite set of places with a specific status like Category:World Heritage Sites in Denmark. No doubt the latter are all on roads, but that's not the point! --Bermicourt (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    You are ignoring the main point here - for things like the Brocken mountain that it's on this trail is very non-defining - that's fine for a list, but not for a category (partly because categorization like that could put some articles in hundreds of categories). Another way to look at this is that if there was an article about Brocken House (the location on the mountain where the checkpoint is) you'd probably want to move the category tag to that article - i.e. you're attempting to use category tags to create a list rather than to categorize articles. Regarding categories for WHS sites etc - that's WP:OSE and as it happens I think many such categories (grouping together churches, glaciers etc) should be deleted - another example previous CFD. DexDor (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand the main point clearly: "being on a hiking trail is non-defining". There are two issues with that: first, the Harzer Wandernadel is not a trail, and, second, "X is non-defining" is simply a point of view; it needs substantiating. To be fair, I'm suspect that's possible, but will leave that to others. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:55, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    1. The category text says "Qualifying locations on the Harzer Wandernadel hiking trail network ...". 2. Have you read WP:NONDEF? DexDor (talk) 15:12, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Female geologists[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename all. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
plus 23 subcats added at relisting
Nominator's rationale: Per Women in geology, Category:Women earth scientists, and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 6. Will also involve renaming all the subcategories. Courcelles (talk) 21:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom To match parent category Category:Women earth scientists. Dimadick (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural comment. If the intention is also to rename the subcats, they should be tagged and listed. I suggest that the best way to proceed is to relist this discussion on today's CfD, and add the subcats. I would be happy to do both if that's OK with @Courcelles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, I'm sorry, it's been years since I've been active with CFD and I just plain forgot. Yeah, if you're willing, feel free, the subcats need to be renamed as well. Courcelles (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:White Alumni of South Africa[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. —swpbT go beyond 15:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – countries don't have alumni. Oculi (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Oculi....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Vague. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- The one article is already in University of South Africa alumni, which may be what the creator was trying to get at. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete "White alumni" is obvious racial segregation. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fantastic film festivals[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think this is about the genre of fantasy, rather than films which are unbelievably good. It also needs parent cat(s) which tie it into fantasy categories. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support to avoid it attracting films where fantastic is used as a superlative. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison partners[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization Talk 04:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison associates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization Talk 04:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:53, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization Talk 04:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison people. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison law firm. General Ization Talk 04:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arnold & Porter partners[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization Talk 04:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arnold & Porter associates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:24, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization Talk 04:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arnold & Porter[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization Talk 04:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arnold & Porter people[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Unclear what the value of the category is to the project, though possibly of promotional value to the Arnold & Porter law firm. General Ization Talk 04:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, while in general we allow people by company categories, it does not seem a defining characteristic in this particular case. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this and merge all the related categories into it. The article on the firm will make a good main article; not sure what to do about the law case. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – per Peterkingiron. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Good Place[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to recreation if and when there is an article on a 3rd season. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too little content. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft delete, no objection to recreation if and when the third season premieres. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 01:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Terms claimed to be racist despite non-racist origins[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Malformed category. This cat is not NPOV. It is a statement that makes a judgement without consensus, and the creator of the cat has added it to pages that do not fit the definition of this POV statement. Same user added this cat to racial slur pages a few months ago. It was promptly and rightfully removed. The cat should have been deleted then. As it sat around, now the user is attempting to add it again. Delete and salt. CorbieV ☊ ☼ 02:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The origin of a term may have nothing to do with the context of specific uses. Dimadick (talk) 07:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We base categories on what things are, not on what some people incorrectly think they might be. This category could end up being a grab-bag of unconnected words and phrases ranging from "denigration" through to "hoary" by way of "krautrock". Grutness...wha? 14:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retain The nominator said that I "added this cat to racial slur pages". Of course I added it to pages that are seen as racial slurs. That is exactly what the category purports to include. Such terms as Tarbaby have origins that were clearly not racist, as seen in Espinosa's article "A new classification of the fundamental elements of the tar-baby story on the basis of two hundred and sixty-seven versions" in Journal of American Folklore. "Niggardly", a term from another article marked for this category, has a long Germanic origin meaning "stingy", cf. Swedish nygg. The word has now become controversial, but it has an etymology that is free of racial tinge. The category should be retained. There may be disputes about whether certain articles should be marked as belonging to the category, but the category is solidly legitimate. As a sociolinguist, I find it useful to find lists of words that have changed connotations, such as those in this category. Pete unseth (talk) 20:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • That would make it a plausible subject for a well-referenced list. Not for a category. Grutness...wha? 23:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – not a suitable basis for a category. Oculi (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as I just cannot see how this is 3ever going to rise above its obvious POV issues. Mangoe (talk) 17:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I think it's pretty obvious that this has to go. JDDJS (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Non-defining, and a WP:SMALLCAT with just two entries. No objection to a list, if it can be properly sourced, but it's not an appropriate basis for a category. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chronicles regarding Lithuania[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 1#Category:Chronicles_regarding_Lithuania. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:56, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Every other subcategory of Category:Chronicles has this formatting. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom This should follow the format of other Chronicles. Dimadick (talk) 07:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. That completely changes the scope of the category. It would not be a simple renaming. The category now has chronicles that talk about Lithuania, but are not Lithuanian. Renata (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom and purge the Russian and Livonian articles which contain little information regarding Lithuania anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Potential keep -- The content is more wide-ranging than would fit in the target. Some are clearly in Latin, so that this does not concern the language. If renamed, it would have to be purged, which may be destructive. Perhaps some of the siblings need moving to this format. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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