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Category:Hybrid albums[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename both. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Hybrid albums to Category:Hybrid (Welsh band) albums

Nominator's rationale: Per Hybrid (Welsh band) and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_May_3#Category:Hybrid_albums —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Hybrid (metal band) albums to Category:Hybrid (Spanish band) albums

Nominator's rationale: Per Hybrid (Spanish band) and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_May_3#Category:Hybrid_albums —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Category:Hybrid albums should then be made a disambiguation category. — ξ ^xplicit 20:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom and disamb per xplicit. Occuli (talk) 04:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rename "Hybrid albums" is useless. What about hybrid pop and country albums, or blues and rock? 70.29.208.247 (talk) 23:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Music genre compilation albums[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Music genre compilation albums to Category:Compilation albums by genre

Nominator's rationale: To conform with other such subcats. of Category:Compilation albums (e.g. Category:Compilation albums by artist and Category:Compilation albums by date.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. — ξ ^xplicit 02:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Compilation albums by country[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Compilation albums by country to Category:Compilation albums by artist nationality

Nominator's rationale: Per consensus to change the parent cat. to Category:Albums by artist nationality. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. This has pretty much become the standard. — ξ ^xplicit 02:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jerusalem immigrants to the United States[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Clearly a problem and a need have been made clear in the discussion. However it does not appear that this category is the solution to any of that. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Intersection of two unrelated categories. It is highily unlikely that being from Jerusalem has anything to do with their immigration to the United States. TM 18:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Despite the contention in the category definition, they will either belong in Category:Israeli immigrants to the United States, Category:Palestinian immigrants to the United States, or another by-national subcategory of Category:Immigrants to the United States. There is no nationality of "Jerusalemites"; the people almost invariably identified with some nationality prior to immigration. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 07:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How are Mandate Palestine immigrants from Jerusalem handled?--Epeefleche (talk) 21:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if they are handled at this stage. Is there a specific example, i.e., an article we could consider? If not, it seems to be a theoretical problem that we don't need to worry about at this point. None of those in the category are Mandate Palestine emigrants to the United States. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure -- this is far from theoretical. See, for example, Philip Mattar, Nehemiah Persoff, Naseer Aruri, Yaakov Yitzchak Horowitz -- see Rabbi Pinchas Dovid Horowitz; Rhea Carmi, Yitzhak Katznelson -- the list goes on. Obviously, btw, as can be seen this list includes people born in pre-Mandate Jerusalem.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So ... I'm not clear on what you are asking or why you are asking it here. You can see for yourself that they are not in this or any other "immigrants to the United States" category. So, as I said above, they appear not to be handled at this stage. Are you suggesting they be put in this category, or is this an on-the-side issue not directly in question here? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm suggesting that we determine how to categorize these immigrants to the U.S., and that one way is to keep this cat. If we don't, we have to figure out how to spread them all among other cats, and there will be no way to easily view them in one cat together (at least two more, in addition to the ones mentioned). Thinking through this issue may help lead some of us (certainly me) to determine whether it is best to keep this cat.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that it's possible to be an emigrant from the Palestine Mandate to the U.S. and not be from Jerusalem, so this category seems to be over-specific to the problem presented. It is simultaneously over-broad, since it could potentially include non-Palestine Mandate emigrants who went from Jerusalem to the U.S. I would assume a category that could include all Palestine Mandate emigrants to the U.S. would be preferable. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your first presumption is of course correct. Your second one may be as well. But then of course we need to address pre-Mandate Jerusalem and environs. Thoughts?--Epeefleche (talk) 01:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They were born in Palestine, so why not include them in the Palestinian category? It would be inappropriate to put them into the Israeli category unless they later obtained Israeli citizenship.--TM 22:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There may be a problem with pre-Israel Jews being categorized as "Palestinian". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There may be. Although, that of course is what they were. Which leads us back to the from Jerusalem approach.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - it has also been placed in both Category:Israeli immigrants to the United States and Category:Palestinian immigrants to the United States, which is a surprising claim. Occuli (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th-century female writers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Various targets. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century female writers

Category:20th-century female non-fiction writers

Category:20th-century female poets

Merge Include all three writers in these categories in the Category:20th-century women writers and Category:women poets.

Nominator's rationale: The use of categories “female writers” etc is superfluous. (talk) 11:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC) when the standard category is "women writers" etc. Hugo999 (talk) 12:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support nom - the head category is Category:Women writers. (There was a move to delete/merge 20th-century fooers altogether.) The second one should also be upmerged to Category:20th-century non-fiction writers (or to Category:Non-fiction writers, which is not gendered as yet). Occuli (talk) 15:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support nom generally, but the second should be merged to Category:Women non-fiction writers (or something similar), and the target for the first should be Category:Women writers. We merged a lot of 20th/21st century categories and these should have been included. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional Pakistani Britons[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. — ξ ^xplicit 05:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Delete (merge to Category:Fictional British people). Currently contains only one redirect. If kept, should be renamed to Category:Fictional British people of Pakistani descent (to match Category:British people of Pakistani descent and to avoid the use of the ambiguous "Britons"), but I do think this is one intersection too many. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Definately one intersection too many. Merging seems a good comprimise as opposed to straight deletion. Bradjamesbrown is travelling (Talk to my master) 11:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge to Category:Fictional British people and Category:Fictional Pakistanis too (as the sole entrant, George Khan, is a Pakistani who has immigrated to England) Keep populated now Mayumashu (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The category needs to be populated. Already though, you will notice apart from the George Khan redirect, another article has been placed in it as well. Also, I am confident that being a huge ethnic group, British Pakistanis do have representation in the media to some extent. Mar4d (talk) 10:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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National subcategories of Category:Formula One people[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy merge per recent close. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:English Formula One people to Category:Formula One people

Propose merging Category:Scottish Formula One people to Category:Formula One people

Nominator's rationale: Accidentally omitted from earlier CfD. Admins, please consider closing speedily under criteria C2.C. DH85868993 (talk) 08:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Villages depopulated prior to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξ ^xplicit 05:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Villages depopulated prior to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War to Category:Arab villages depopulated prior to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War

Nominator's rationale: Rename. See rationales provided for Category:Villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and Category:Villages depopulated after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, below. Tiamut^talk 08:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Surely this should (by recent precedent be "Arab populated placed depopulates etc". Peterkingiron (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξ ^xplicit 05:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War to Category:Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War

Nominator's rationale: Rename. There is a Category: Jewish villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Rename allows for consistency is this kind of differentiation. Tiamut^talk 08:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about having "Jewish villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war" and "Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war" as sub-cats of "Villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli war"? Zero^talk 08:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense. Then we can create sub-cats for the other cats too (i.e. "Villages depopulated prior to the 1948 Arab–Israeli war" and "Villages depopulated after the 1948 Arab–Israeli war"). Thanks for the suggestion Zero000. Tiamut^talk 09:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Villages depopulated after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξ ^xplicit 05:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Villages depopulated after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War to Category:Arab villages depopulated after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War

Nominator's rationale: Rename. There is a Category: Jewish villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Such a differentiation, if made for Jewish villages should also apply to Arab ones. Tiamut^talk 08:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first article from this pack is about a Palestinian Christians village. Should it belong under an Arab category? East of Borschov (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC).[reply]
- What's wrong with that? "Arab" is an ethnicity, not a religion. According to the article Palestinia Christians, most of them identify as Arabs. Bluap (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Surely this should (by recent precedent be "Arab populated placed depopulates etc". Peterkingiron (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:RIAA Diamond award albums[edit]

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The result of the discussion was:

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 29#Category:RIAA Diamond award albums. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:RIAA Diamond award albums to Category:Albums certified diamond by the Recording Industry Association of America

Nominator's rationale: To follow the convention of Category:Singles certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America and Category:Singles certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America. — ξ ^xplicit 02:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The problem is that the RIAA doesn't issue Diamond certifications. It issues Gold and Platinum certifications, and a Diamond Award once 10 Platinums have been issued.—Kww(talk) 03:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reading Recording Industry Association of America, gold, platinum and diamond are noted as awards, while in RIAA certification lists gold, platinum and diamond as certifications. Additionally, at the RIAA website, it lists certifications under "Award Description", regardless of certification. If anything, they are interchangeable. — ξ ^xplicit 03:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The stuff in our Wikipedia articles doesn't count. Note that in the link you gave, Confessions was given a 10xPlatinum, not a "Diamond". In http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblDiamond the certification levels are in multiple Platinums: no one gets a "2xDiamond", they get a "20xPlatinum". Diamond is clearly a horse of a different color.—Kww(talk) 04:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is confusing. So is the diamond award not a certification? If not, why is it listed as one on list of music recording sales certifications for some countries? A lot of the articles in this category say something along the lines of "certified diamond", so that doesn't help much. — ξ ^xplicit 04:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was the quandary I was faced with when the category was originally created, when it was just "Diamond Certification albums". Many certifying agencies do issue diamond certifications, but, so far as I can tell, the RIAA isn't one of them. Unfortunately, every album in the category was one that had received a diamond award from the RIAA. That's why I chose the current title.—Kww(talk) 04:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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