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| Crystal Gail Mangum – Resolved. – 02:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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→ See also: Crystal Gail Mangum section in BLP/N Archive 16 - section #14.
Assuming you mean the criminal history section, I think most of the information should stay. She is notable for the rape accusations. This makes information about other accusations and about her credibility much more relevant to her notability than it is for, say, a musician. And it's derogatory in the sense that it makes her look bad, but merely being factual about her makes her look bad. Ken Arromdee 14:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I think the whole thing is a blatant coatrack. Moreschi Talk 14:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
This article was turned into a redirect by me the other day because all relevant information about Ms Mangum appeared to be already in the target article. the one about the Duke lacrosse team rape scandal. After that David Gerard turned it into a salted deletion. This went to a rather ugly deletion review which seems to be being used as a battering ram by people opposed to administrator discretion in BLP cases, and a fair number of POV pushers (that whole case should go to arbitration soon, I think). Somebody tried a close, but it didn't take. The history is now back. We can but hope to get a closing admin who is BLP-competent. --Tony Sidaway 04:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Jeff Jarrett – Resolved. – 02:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Might wind up being nothing, and stands as quite minor right now, but this might become an issue. This revision of the article contains a meager 'Personal Life' section that details nothing but his wife who passed away last night. It should also be noted that that section didn't exist until edits made today, specifically this revision. I feel it contributes nothing to the article, so I was a little bold and took it out. Any comment will be helpful. Nosleep1234 05:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Mike Sholars – Article deleted. – 02:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Sholars
→ See also: Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Mike Sholars
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| Charles Bennison – Resolved. – 05:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| Wayne Geokjian – Article deleted and salted. – 05:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute shooting – Article deleted. – 05:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| Mohammed Asif Mohseni – Resolved. – 06:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC) |
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I came across a completely unsourced stub of a (possibly?) living person. I don't have any time to research this as the moment so I just removed the problem info. diff Someone else might want to look into this more closely--BirgitteSB 17:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The stub was tagged as unreferenced the day it was created. Now, nearly two years later, it still has neither references nor meaningful categories. — Athaenara ✉ 03:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| Rob Lunan – Article deleted on AfD. – 06:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC) |
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BLP complaint by a single purpose account in an Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Lunan with a clear delete consensus that has already gone 5 days. Take whatever action you feel is appropriate, but closing the AfD would solve all problems. - Aagtbdfoua 01:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| Richard Steinheimer – Misunderstanding of {{Blp}} tag resolved. – 06:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC) |
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What in this page is controversial, unsourced, poorly sourced or potentially libelous? It source is a book by Jeff Brouws who also wrote the books on Winston Link's 'Steam Steel & Stars' and 'Starlight on the Rails'. Along with other books on his own. Here is a list of some of his books. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/102-5282791-9552962?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Jeff%20Brouws The source is A Passion for Trains: The Railroad Photography of Richard Steinheimer (Hardcover) by Richard Steinheimer (Author), Jeff Brouws (Author) It is not a self published but the is Publisher: W. W. Norton & Company (November 30, 2004). It is a photo book, pics by Steinheimer, with a large set of text by Jeff Brouws. http://www.signaturepress.com/rs.html http://silicongenesis.stanford.edu/transcripts/allenbendersteinheimer.htm http://www.trains.com/ctr/default.aspx?c=a&id=21 Lazarus-long 03:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Project for the New American Century – Resolved. – 04:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Project for the New American Century (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I came across this article while checking the through the contributions of user Boscobiscotti whom I had met on the Harvey Mansfield talk page. I found numerous problems (weasel words, unsourced or poorly sourced comments, original research) in the controversies section and moved most of them to the talk page. A disagreement ensued between me and Boscobiscotti after he restored most of the content. I admit that I may have been a little harsh with him initially, and to his credit, he has made substantial improvements to the article since that time. I am asking that someone not directly involved in the content dispute review the article for neutrality and conformity with biographies of living persons due to the notability and high profile of the subjects of the article in question. Best, MoodyGroove 20:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
I added {{BLPC}} to the article to put it in Category:BLP Check and added {{Blp}} to the talk page. There is a little bit of friction on the article talk page about this because it's not immediately obvious to all editors why there are WP:BLP policy concerns. — Athaenara 02:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a \{\{BLP\}\} tag on the talk page of this article now? Is the consensus of this page that all organizations which contain living persons are to be tagged BLP now? --Boscobiscotti 01:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Arbuthnots and circular referencing – Inactive. – 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Arbuthnots and circular referencing→ See also: Arbuthnot family section in the Conflict of interest noticeboard archive 10 I am sure some of you have been following the sad tales of the notable and non-notable members of Category:Arbuthnot family. While looking through them, I have found a worrying amount of those that are referenced are linked to references which have also been written by the primary author User: Kittybrewster (Kittybrewster infers on his talk page that he is in fact "Sir William Arbuthnot Bart" and it is Sir William Arbuthnot Bart who is listed as a contributor to many of the references concerned. What is the policy if any on this, and what action should be taken? Giano 11:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
How is the WP:BLP policy implicated here? ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 18:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Equerries – Inactive. – 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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EquerriesI am wondering how notable half these living people are in Category:Equerries, the majority of Equerries are unreferenced, and is the position notable? - It is usually a short term draft from one of the Armed Forces to be basically a male Lady-in-waiting to the British sovereign - the appointement usually lasts two years and is appointed on affability rather than any military honour. What is the feeling on this? Obviously some qualify as heros of baronets but the others. Giano 13:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Hockey stick controversy (1)– Inactive. – 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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| Hockey stick controversy (2) – Resolved. – 21:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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The fact Mann knowingly withheld results that were contrary to his claims is a significant violation of scientific ethics. The facts around this issue have never been disputed. I would like to have this issue cleared up so this information is available to Wikipedia readers.RonCram 20:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
According to climateaudit.org, the February 2005 NWT cover story is based on two peer-reviewed papers published in Geophysical Research Letters and Environment and Energy (see Greenwire for more on the latter.) See also "Breaking the hockey stick" and "Revisiting the 'stick'," both for the Financial Post, the business section of the National Post. — Athaenara ✉ 07:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm here because Raymond asked me to comment. In my opinion, RonCram has done us a disservice by not giving us the background to this problem. Ron apparently feels very strongly that Wikipedia must contain the claim that Michael Mann knowingly violated scientific ethics. Discussion at Talk:Hockey stick controversy has been solidly against this idea, so Ron has turned to other tactics:
Essentially, Ron is not getting his way in the content dispute, and is trying to use noticeboards to get the upper hand. Ron's behavior is long past the point of being disruptive. If there's a BLP problem here, it's Ron's persistence in attacking Mann. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This thread seems to have once again gone beyond the immediate BLP concerns into a dispute over content. My inclination is to end it and not respond further; however, if others feel the discussion still is useful, I'll continue. Raymond Arritt 16:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
As with the Stephen Barrett certification dispute, the substance here involves pertinent facts which either can or cannot be referenced with reliable sources. Endless wrangling about the pertinence of the information and the reliability of the references is disruptive. Both quarrels have been ongoing for months and now account for over one third of the content on this noticeboard. As the participants in these two disputes may or may not have noticed, BLP/N is rather busy: there are currently over three dozen other articles needing its attention. — Athaenara ✉ 09:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Subsequent bickering drowned out the fact that the February 2005 NWT cover story was based on two peer reviewed papers (one published in Geophysical Research Letters, the other in Environment and Energy), as noted last week in 07:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC) post above. — Athaenara ✉ 18:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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| Jim Gilchrist – Inactive. – 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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II. Under the section “Minuteman Project” Gilchrist’s role while he was head of the Project, is referred to as “former head of the Minuteman Project.” This is obviously a factual error. Gilchrist was obviously not acting, at that time, as the “former head” but as the “head.” It would be the same to say, “Abraham Lincoln led the Union Armies as the assassinated Commander-in-Chief” The fact that it was phrased that way, drawing attention to the one-sided coverage of the controversy noted in (I.) above, is a clear indication that the intent of this article’s author was to give a negative spin to Gilchrist. I corrected this to read “as head of the…” but it was reverted. III. Gilchrist’s lawsuit against the MP board of directors is noted and its legal status. But while all of the board member’s allegations against Gilchrist are detailed, no part of Gilchrist’s side of the story is told. This is biased coverage. I corrected this, including reference to Gilchrist’s side, and not removing the defendants’ side, to regain some objectivity, but it was reverted. IV. Under the section “2005 Election Bid” Gilchrist’s ballot results are negatively spun by the very deceptive phrase: “He was the only one running under his party, and therefore automatically advanced into the run-off.” It gives the impression that the only reason he made the general election ballot, was that he was the single candidate in the primary from his party (a common occurrence in all political parties). That impression is absolute fiction. Gilchrist would have been on the ballot in every system in the country that files candidates by Party. That Primary not only reduced the number of candidates from each Party to one, it established that among that group Gilchrist finished SECOND. I corrected the article to reflect the reality but the correction was reverted. V. Although the section entitled “Religious Views” was designed to stereotype Gilchrist, it is offensive, on its face, to every social conservative, as well as the pro-life and marriage movements. Referring to the conservative postitions on abortion, homosexual civil unions and same sex marriage as “Religious Views” is a propaganda tactic of the Left. It would be comparable to calling support for Abortion Rights or Gay Marriage “Atheist views.” Gilchrist’s Roman Catholicism is “Religious.” His political positions on human rights and marriage are “Political.” This is another blatant example that this is not an encyclopedia article but a liberal propaganda piece. I corrected it, including all the existing information and wording, adding nothing, but the corrections were reverted. VI. The section entitled “Criticism” is no more valid as an entry than would be a section entitled “Praise.” It is also unquestionably biased. It falsely implies racism against Gilchrist. It gives undocumented and one-sided allegations by a radical left-wing organization (that supports illegal immigration) quoting only an unnamed person as the source. This alleged person is quoted at length but no quotation (by an actual person) refuting him is allowed. The opposition organization was also allowed to question Gilchrist’s sincerity, but their own sincerity was held above suspicion. This is a hit piece. I corrected it, leaving in the SPLC allegations, but the correction was reverted. VII. The section “Criticism” includes the inflammatory sentence “In a March, 2006 interview with the Orange County Register, Gilchrist stopped just short of calling for his followers to pick up their guns.” This incredible sentence floats a statement Gilchrist literally DID NOT MAKE to engineer slanderous implications about him. Let me give you a similarly constructed sentence that is equally true: The Wikipedia article about Jim Gilchrist stops just short of saying he is a Nazi who plans to incinerate Jews. // 76.22.9.247 06:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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Are the critics who criticize this person a minority or a majority? That is, are there a lot of critics who say he works with neo-Nazis, or just a few? Moreover, the views of critics must be based on reliable secondary sources. These critics use an anonymous source as the secondary source; that is not reliable. It's true that the SPLC has what is in effect a criticism section, but the SPLC is not a living person. Ken Arromdee 14:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| Anna Schmidt – Inactive. – 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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I have been carrying on an ongoing discussion with a man who says he is Anna Schmidt's stepfather and would like to add information about her current custody arrangements -- specifically that her mother has custody of her and she has not seen her father since March 2006. The stepfather wants to know the correct way to submit a personal statement that can be used a reference for this article. The information is currently included in it, but I added a citation needed tag. Who does he send his personal statement to, what can he include in it, what's the proper procedure, etc.? Can sealed court records be used as a reference?--Bookworm857158367 18:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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| A.J. Pierzynski – Inactive. – 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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This article is a tireless, unreferenced rant about controversial incidents that this professional baseball player has been involved in, how much of this can be confirmed is unknown, but it is badly POV the way its topic is presented, the language of the text is irrelevant, it is the content that sways this article. I didn't know where else to go because comments as such in the past have been roundly dismissed or unacted upon. I stumbled on it because I added an image replacing a blatant copyvio I tagged for speedy deletion. Thanks and if you can let me know what happens with this on talk page too.IvoShandor 18:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Shane Ruttle Martinez – Resolved. – 15:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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I received a complaint from the subject of this article, which indicates that libelous info is being added by IP address 72.143.225.236. This is information I won't repeat here, but this is the link. The subject's complaint to me continues as follows: "This is serious slander, completely untrue, and I demand that this claim be deleted from the history of the article, and that the user who posted it be disciplined. Additionally, he and Dogmatic and Swatjester have violated my privacy by adding a reference to my having been arrested. This is very misleading, since while I was arrested, all charges were dropped and I have never been convicted of anything. Moreover, there are legal proceedings underway in which I am suing the police. My understanding of accepted norms and practices within the media is that old arrests which never resulted in convictions, are not usually mentioned, because they are prejudicial. Furthermore it is a violation of my privacy, as I was found innocent of all charges, and the grounds of arrest were called into serious question before the court (hence the lawsuit against the police). Also, the source of information is a tabloid newspaper which is not considered credible by any reputable researchers. Lastly, these editors keep adding references and a link to a libelous DVD about me, produced by a neo-Nazi group which has sent me repeated death threats, and has attempted to engage in witness intimidation during my participation in a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal against neo-Nazis and white supremacists. Adding references to this DVD in the article is a form of personal harassment, and since the DVD is also libelous and will soon be the subject of a libel lawsuit, it is unacceptable for Wikipedia to include a reference to it, let alone make it easier for people to find it and order it from this neo-Nazi group." Frank Pais 13:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Politics and influences of J.K. Rowling – Article deleted. – 07:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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This recently created article contains a lot of OR and is basically an essay expressing one contributor's opinion. Serendipodous 12:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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| Richard Huggett – Resolved. – 07:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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A ghastly mess. I have stubbified and would appreciate help in rebuilding with sources. Sam Blacketer 22:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Adam Kline – Resolved. – 07:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC) |
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I just made major revisions to Adam Kline (mostly removals). It was a lengthy, more or less plagiarized (unless the contributor was columnist David Postman) diatribe about Kline's opposition to off-road vehicles. I have reduced that part of the article enormously, and cited to Postman for what remains. I suggest that people concerned with BLP keep an eye on the article, because in my experience it is likely that whoever added the diatribe in the first place will be back to restore it, plagiarism issues (and non-encyclopedic character) notwithstanding. - Jmabel | Talk 05:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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| David Cornsilk – Resolved. – 00:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC) |
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→ See also: Wikipedia:Community sanction noticeboard#User:Jeffrey Vernon Merkey
I suggest keeping an eye on this article. I just deleted 2 over-the-top political cartoons drawn by the subject of this article (Cornsilk) depicting Cherokee Chief Chad "Corntassel" Smith in KKK regalia. I'm not sure the cartoons are needed in an article on Cornsilk, even if he did draw them. Here is the earlier version of the article with the cartoons. This article is apparently controversial and wrapped up in much older disputes going beyond Cherokees to involve Linux, etc.; see:
I don't know who's right and who's wrong in these disputes, but BLP concerns must be monitored in the meantime. --A. B. (talk) 22:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Jeffrey Gold – Resolved. – 02:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC) |
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The Wikipedia bio of this guy is dubious. It is not clear whether it is libelous or just sophomoric. It needs attention. Greg Kuperberg 22:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I added {{BLPC}} to this article and restored the version which existed prior to complex serial vandalism by three userIPs (userlinks above) in early April. — Athaenara ✉ 23:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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| Tucker Max – Inactive. – 09:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Recently, edits have been made to the Tucker Max entry which violate the Wikipedia standards against slander and libel and are entirely unsourced, unverifiable information. These have mainly been made by the user Antiscian and anonymous editors. Generally speaking, the whole article has devolved into a slander-fest with little or no NPOV content. Most NPOV immediately information is removed and the focus remains on making unsourced, or marginally verifiable negative comments about the subject. At one time, the article had a fairly decent mix of neutral, balanced information, but over the past few months, that has been shaved away. It's best summed up on the talk page. In the interest of full disclosure: I am the IT Director for Rudius Media, Tucker Max's company. However, I think that it can be objectively said that the article as it is written (especially with the recent edits) is decidedly non-NPOV and definitely violates the BLP policies. It's certainly not encyclopedic. If this article is ever to resemble a quality entry, it's going to require some monitoring and perhaps even some protection. --ljheidel 19:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The content regarding Max's appearance on the Opie and Anthony show and his engagement at South by Southwest that editors keep entering into the article is also severely POV and non-encyclopedic. In both cases, editors have taken statements out of context, combined them with opinion and personal slant, then stated the amalgam as fact. (i.e. Opie and Anthony did not throw a book at Max, Max did not admit at SXSW to "spamming" anything, etc.) Thus the issue hasn't been resolved. --ljheidel 17:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Add GeorgeMichael69 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to the list. --ljheidel 23:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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→ See also: {{Gibraltarian}} and Wikipedia:Long term abuse#Blocked User:Gibraltarian
Unfortunately it seems that this article and now this noticeboard are being attacked by the former User:Gibraltarian. He has an appalling record of sustained abuse, edit-warring, sockpuppeting and vandalism (he even repeatedly vandalised his own request for arbitration, which I've never seen happen before or since). He was banned by the Arbitration Committee in January 2006 - see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gibraltarian - and has now been permanently banned from editing Wikipedia. However, he's continuing to use 212.120.*.* IP addresses to edit/vandalise articles and talk pages. He is essentially an obsessive xenophobic crank whose M.O. is to delete anything (even if sourced) that doesn't fit his POV and add anything (which he never sources) that supports his POV. He's now taken his campaign to Juan Carlos I of Spain where he's repeatedly deleting Juan Carlos' title of King of Gibraltar, which is verifiably part of the Spanish royal titles. He's also deleting this message from the noticeboard. I would be grateful if BLP watchers could add this article to their watchlist and revert any edits coming from 212.120.*.*. Please don't block an individual IP for more than a few hours - he's using Gibraltar's largest ISP and indiscriminate blocks cause too much collateral damage for our saner Gibraltarian editors. -- ChrisO 17:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
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| John Sweeney (journalist) – Resolved. – 09:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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The whole "Controversy" section could be removed as it just talks about this libel suit and a tiff he had with a Scientologist the other day. As it is these two minor incidents take up about half of the article. He seems to be well respected and accomplished as a journalist. Steve Dufour 06:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with the balance as of yesterday. — Athaenara ✉ 09:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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| Carl Hewitt – Issues being resolved on Afd. – 10:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Hewitt See also: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Carl Hewitt
Ruud Koot has placed an unflattering photograph of of Professor Hewitt on the article about him. Did Professor Hewitt give permission for this photograph to be taken?--TheHoover 18:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
A point which is worthy of consideration: "Unflattering" is a subjective assessment, one which I (and perhaps many others) do not share. — Athaenara ✉ 23:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree the image looks quite bad when thumbnailed (he seems to be yawning, while it is quite clear that he is laughing on the full size image.) It certainly isn't the best picture we could wish for, but I personally don't find it "unflattering". However, if Carl himself objects to this image that wish should probably be respected. —Ruud 19:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Repeated reverts by Arthur Rubin and Ruud Koot have introduced inacurracies in biography of Prof. Hewitt by depriving researchers of proper credit for their work. -- 64.75.137.250 01:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Supporters and detractors of Prof. Hewitt are having an edit war. Each side says that the other is acting unethically. The detractors claim that the supporters are acting unethically because of conflict of interest. The advocates claim that the detractors are acting unethically because academic standards should prevail.--72.235.115.241 17:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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Elisabeth Kammer ResolvedI am not sure that I handled this right. The article is completely unsourced, and a quick google shows me nothing useful (at least not in English). Removing the accusations that concerned me left only her birthdate. I also removed some categories. Please someone check this out as it is an equally sensitive topic to have this info removed if it is true. diff--BirgitteSB 17:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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- ^ Kip Keller, Austin American Statesman, November 16, 2003