Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zone 8, Detroit

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The result was redirect to Neighborhoods in Detroit. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zone 8, Detroit[edit]

Non-notable. The terminology "Zone 8" appears to be nearly non-existant, and I can find exactly zero references in any reliable sources. In addition, the article itself contains at least three mutually contradictory geographical descriptions of the neighborhood, leading me to believe that the term, even when it might be used, is hazily defined. Andrew Jameson (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 20:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment Well, I can verify that there is an area known as "Zone 8" [1], [2], [3] [4] and that there is a gang called "Zone 8" [5], [6] although of them link the two - although it would seem logical. Also none of these sources are reliable, except perhaps the first which may or may not be. One source (I didn't save the link though) seemed to imply it was related to the 8 Mile Road that Eminem sang about. Our article on that road does mention it as a dividing line between affluent white areas and poor ghetoised black areas. All this points in the direction that there is an underlying truth to this article that might be verifiable in reliable sources (although obviously this does not apply to the contradictory statements). I've labelled all this as "comment" because I honestly can't decide which side of this fence I'm sitting on I want to get down on. If reliable sources can be found then that will probably move me to a keep. Thryduulf (talk) 21:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If reliable sources could be found, I would like to keep it also. I believe your first source is reliable, but it's reporting on the title of a book (which may actually refer to the gang); the others are not, IMO, reliable sources. My educated guess is that "Zone Eight" is a fairly new term used by a small number of people for a hazily-defined neighborhood. It doesn't yet seem to be in wide enough use (as evidenced by the lack of reliable sources) to be considered encyclopedic. That could change in the future, granted, but the use could also wither and die. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

note: I have left notes at Talk:Detroit [7] and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Michigan [8] requesting input to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 00:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I did a quick google search, and found only "mentions" and nothing that really described it. Suggest leaving the placeholder to Zone 8 on Neighborhoods in Detroit. Parkerdr (talk) 02:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I still haven't found any unambiguous reliable sources, so redirect or merge to Neighborhoods in Detroit. Thryduulf (talk) 13:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support a delete or redirect to Neighborhoods in Detroit. There don't seem to be adequate sources for this to stand as its own article. cmadler (talk) 14:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.