Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zita Cabello-Barrueto
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The result was keep. It looks like adequate sources have been located. Liz Read! Talk! 23:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Zita Cabello-Barrueto[edit]
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Delete: as non-notable academic. Mostly POV. Fails GNG, SIGCOV, etc. Nirva20 (talk) 05:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT to either Center for Justice and Accountability or Caravan of Death for reasons cited in colloquy below with @Goldsztajn. The subject (Cabello-Barrueto)'s notability derives almost entirely as a plaintiff in lawsuit (Cabello Barrueto v. Fernández Larios, 291 F. Supp. 2d 1360 (S.D. Fla. 2003)) -- not as an academic or author. Apologies for any inconvenience. Nirva20 (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Actors and filmmakers, Women, Politics, Chile, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete: agreed; non-notable, unsourced — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oort1 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep AfD is not cleanup. Multi-year indepth coverage of Zita Cabello-Barrueto, especially noted as the leading plaintiff in Cabello Barrueto v. Fernandez Larios. Some examples: Quest for justice spans decades pt 1, Sister's quest for justice spans decades pt 2, Chilean's survivors sue Dade businessman, Chile verdict cheers sister in Bay Area / Jury orders payment in 1973 coup slaying, The Pinochet Effect: Transnational Justice in the Age of Human Rights pp165-166, Hermana de asesinado por Caravana de la Muerte, lanza un libro contando los hechos. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn -- The article as it exists is blatant (and outdated by decades) POV/OR: "She strongly opposes George W. Bush's stance against John McCain's anti-torture bill; Bush objects to the bill because it does not exempt the CIA. Her disdain for torture comes from her personal experience under Chile's CIA-initiated coup d'état". I don't know if the lawsuit itself is sufficient to establish notability. If so, then maybe the article should be the lawsuit not Cabello-Barrueto, whose extensive bibliography is here. Nirva20 (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Nirva20: An article's lack of neutrality is not per se grounds for deletion. I don't see what the link has do with Cabello-Barrueto's bibliography; it's a publisher's blurb for a book she wrote. I've just linked five reliable sources, from multiple years, which contain significant coverage of the subject. This satisfies the WP:GNG/WP:BIO; if you wish to maintain an argument for deletion, you need to address why these sources do not establish Cabello-Barrueto's notability. FWIW, apologies if you are already aware of this, but if not, please have a read of WP:BEFORE. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- We all make mistakes. I did a Google search but found nothing impressive.
maybe because all the links are in Spanish.That's on me. But Cabello-Barrueto is not notable as an academic or as an author only as a plaintiff, by your own words. The article should be redirected to the lawsuit you cited. Nirva20 (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)- The articles linked contain SIGCOV of the person, this means she satisfies the WP:GNG. I did not say she's only notable as a plaintiff ("especially noted" were my words), but even if I did, that is irrelevant. We assess the content of sources, we question the reliability of sources, we examine the relevance of sources, but we do not get to choose *why* a subject is notable, the sources determine notability for us. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 18:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- We all make mistakes. I did a Google search but found nothing impressive.
- @Nirva20: An article's lack of neutrality is not per se grounds for deletion. I don't see what the link has do with Cabello-Barrueto's bibliography; it's a publisher's blurb for a book she wrote. I've just linked five reliable sources, from multiple years, which contain significant coverage of the subject. This satisfies the WP:GNG/WP:BIO; if you wish to maintain an argument for deletion, you need to address why these sources do not establish Cabello-Barrueto's notability. FWIW, apologies if you are already aware of this, but if not, please have a read of WP:BEFORE. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn -- The article as it exists is blatant (and outdated by decades) POV/OR: "She strongly opposes George W. Bush's stance against John McCain's anti-torture bill; Bush objects to the bill because it does not exempt the CIA. Her disdain for torture comes from her personal experience under Chile's CIA-initiated coup d'état". I don't know if the lawsuit itself is sufficient to establish notability. If so, then maybe the article should be the lawsuit not Cabello-Barrueto, whose extensive bibliography is here. Nirva20 (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep but neutralise per Gold Bedivere (talk) 14:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn. Meets WP:NPROF. 2A01:799:2E3:C500:556:815E:86C2:7DB1 (talk) 15:10, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify Very poorly sourced BLP, keep otherwise. She is notable as an author, though. Either needs additional citations or a quick trip to draft space to clean up for mainspace, but the topic is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 19:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've cleaned it up. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Goldsztajn.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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