Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhu Benli, Prince of Han

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 06:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zhu Benli, Prince of Han[edit]

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I'm taking this to AfD because I've spent quite a bit of time trying to find out who this is and came up with only [1] which isn't a RS. Context is the editor is creating a number of unsourced articles, some clearly copyright, and in addtion we have List of emperors of the Ming Dynasty with a template [2] which contradicts it. And if this is the last Southern Ming 'emperor' (they are usually called pretenders I believe), who is Zhu Youlang, Prince of Gui (or Zhu Youlang, we seem to have two articles on this person)? I'm wondering if this is simply an error. Dougweller (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. These two are definitely not the same person, from what I've read. The zh.wp article says that whether he exists, or whether his name is Zhu Benli, is uncertain, but its sourcing appears quite weak. But then most of what I can find on google is that one particular Ming history (罪惟录) suggested his existence, but that account has been refuted by subsequent research. All in all, delete as failing WP:V. Tim Song (talk) 02:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW (Talk) 06:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with no prejudice to an article with better sourcing. Abductive (reasoning) 06:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, if it's impossible to find reliable sources, we can't really verify it. As Abductive says, no reason not to recreate if you can find the reliable sources later. Nyttend (talk) 06:35, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Zhu youlang and Zhu benli is not the same person, both of them were descendants of Ming imperial family. When Ming fall, many of them claim themselves as ruler of Ming, i dont agree if people call them as pretender. In fact, Zhu youlang, zhu benli, zhu changqing and others rules southern area of China (Ming) at that time. So they use dynasty name "Southern Ming Dynasty". There is many source, but written in Chinese, i have spend my time to search and write in wikipedia, dont just delete my article before seek the truth. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kungkang (talk • contribs) 03:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I tried searching by "朱本鉉" "定武", but none of the sources seemed reliable. Abductive (reasoning) 04:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand mandarin ?? i am so dissapointed with the deletion of my article "Zhu Benli, Prince of Han" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kungkang (talk • contribs) 07:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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