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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 12:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zhongchan Dao[edit]

It doesn't cite sources. Google search results are wikipedia mirrors. Discussion on the talk page is looking at maps trying figure out what it is. It's only a two sentence stub and can easily be re-written in the future by a knowledgable editor who can make citations. I am uncomfortable with spreading what is quite possibly misinformation. SchmuckyTheCat 20:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Tentative keep. As seen from the map (mentioned at talk:Zhongchan Dao) the island does exist. What we have to figure out is that whether it is known as such. — Instantnood 20:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The map cited does not label anything as Zhongchan Dao ("dao" being cantonese for "island"). Instantnood's claim that this is "Zhongchan Dao" is a novel interpretation of the map, speculative, and Original Research. SchmuckyTheCat 20:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: Dǎo is not Cantonese pronunciation of the Chinese word for island. It's a fact that such an island does exist, just that we don't know if this island is what the creator of the article intended to refer to. Please assume good faith. — Instantnood 20:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's a fact that such an island does exist.

          NO It's not an established fact at all, other than your speculation. That's why we have policies about verifiability. SchmuckyTheCat 20:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

          • If the map is a correct one, then the island obviously exists. It's map reading, not speculation. — Instantnood 20:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • FWIW, the name came directly from List of islands by population and then googled to find out what it was. Morwen - Talk 20:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Right, so it's entirely unsourced on that page too. SchmuckyTheCat 20:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment: Please let the user who added this island to that list to tell. — Instantnood 20:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: Morwen can you recall what source(s) did you get from google? — Instantnood 20:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • [1] looks like it could have been the source. If this can't be verified in other sources, I'd get rid of this. Morwen - Talk 20:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • Two million people and we don't even know it exists? Skinnyweed 21:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep per [2]. M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 22:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is an unsourced bunch of junk on a free web page provider a reliable source? SchmuckyTheCat 05:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
appears to be and if so - it appears to be you have a verifiability problem, if so and you make a hypothesis interpretation that Zhongchan Dao is Macao Island then you have just done original research. Let the article be deleted, it is just a stub. When it is definitively known it can be recreated. SchmuckyTheCat 23:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Based on your research, you believe it refers? Wikipedia requires definitive, citable and well-sourced information. If no map says "Zhongchan Dao" on it, then it's useless conjecture for Wikipedia to say it does. SchmuckyTheCat 23:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It may have existed once (changing silt patterns) but not now. I asked a China list I'm on and the answer is no. One expert said:

    The Zhu (Pearl) River deposits a lot of silt on this west bank in what is now the Macau-Zhuhai area. Islands have formed and disappeared relatively rapidly. It is likely that what is now the City of Macau was once an island but the earliest maps I have seen have always shown a narrow isthmus (16th century). To give an example of change, the Macau island of Taipa was two islands in the 19th Century and today it is now joined to the island of Coloane as one large island. Chinese colonization of this area of the delta often resulted land being reclaimed for agriculture and fish ponds. Thus the coast line was constantly changed both by fluvial and human action. While much of the area under discussion may once have been islands, the area of contemporary Zhuhai and Macau area probably have not been an island(s) for a long time. To view this area as an island today is incorrect.

BTW dao (third tone) is mandarin for island. Mccready 14:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: This map, which was already cited at talk:Zhongchan Dao, clearly shows that the island is separated from the continent by a few shǔidào on both sides. I'd wonder what would happen if any of these shǔidào is filled up. — Instantnood 20:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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