Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeratul

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Characters of StarCraft. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 17:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Zeratul[edit]

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This looks quite nice at first glance, until one realizes that almost all references are to primary sources (game rulebook, novels, etc.). Unlike its two fellow StarCraft characters, which can boast to have received some decent coverage (Jim_Raynor#Reception, Sarah_Kerrigan#Reception) and seem notable, this poor guy doesn't have much to speak for himself (Zeratul#Reception). As such, this article clearly fails WP:GNG. It may be transwikified to http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_Wiki , but it doesn't seem to satisfy notability criteria for our more general encyclopedia, at least not as presented currently. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's tons of sources on both paper and the Internet. Including reception for this "poor guy", if you insist so much. Look around. --Niemti (talk) 11:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Characters of StarCraft as this is one of those "need WP:SPLIT" cases from the game article, but not also from the character list. This article doesn't have many reliable secondary references, a bunch of mentions like in-game stuff and merchandise, but not a whole lot critical reception for proper WP:WAF. This is still WP:GAMECRUFT and even with WP:GNG passed (although I don't see in-depth sources focused on Zeratul specifically rather that the games or multiple characters) I think this is best described in the characters list/article. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 13:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the character list. This is not independently notable, so it doesn't need an article. TTN (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—hard to imagine a more iconic video game character, not to mention being a highly recognized character in Internet-age fiction. This goes down to the debate of whether we should have articles about any fictional characters at all; but if we should, I don't see many Internet-age ones more fitting than Zeratul. The article currently lists just a few secondary sources, but this seems to be more from a lack of non-fans and "out-of-universe" Wikipedians editing the article than from an actual lack of such sources. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:35, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 11:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. Unless, of course, Ynhockey is willing to fix the article to meet current base standards. To address some points made by the user: it really does not go down to the debate of whether we should have articles about any fictional characters at all. Zeratul may very well be the most significant character introduced in the last 15 years, but this means nothing if the article doesn't reflect that. It doesn't matter why the article lacks these sources; all that matters is that they aren't there. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 10:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- And that no-one is proving they exist. Anyone can claim excellent sources exist; but our policy is WP:V. I did a google search for sources before AfDing this and I did not see any reliable sources to prove his significance. If anyone wants to save this, go with my blessings and find good sources, add them to the article or at the very least discuss them here. Unless someone can show that such sources exist, this article fails GNG and V and thus needs to go. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Characters of StarCraft. It is true that this character has made an appearance in a number of video games and novels, but I could not find anything in depth written about them. Lack of secondary sources means the topic fails WP:GNG guidelines, but the character is well verifiable. Per WP:PRESERVE, preservation of verifiable material is preferred to deletion and so a merge and redirect to Characters of StarCraft is warranted. This character is anticipated to be the main character in the upcoming StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void, so no prejudice to recreation when likely multiple RS become available. --Mark viking (talk) 23:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.