Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zen Chong
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Zen Chong[edit]
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Article subject appears in only supporting, minor roles. Fails WP:NACTOR (since he does not have "significant roles in multiple notable films", neither does he have a "significant cult following", nor did he make a "unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment", and does not meet any of the WP:ANYBIO criteria, since the "Star Awards" are an internal award to actors all working for the same media group, and addition they are not a "well-known and significant award or honor" (since they are not significant, nor are they well-known outside of Singaporean-media variety/entertainment reporting, unlike say the Academy Awards, which are well covered in independent, international media). And he hasn't won any anyway (2 nominations is not really that many...). 198.84.253.202 (talk) 15:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - I completed the nomination for the IP. ansh666 18:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Easily passes WP:NACTOR "Has had significant roles in multiple notable television shows." Significant? Lead role! in Priceless Wonder and if that isn't enough he also starred in Where the Heart Is (2008 TV series), My Kampong Days, Injustice (Malaysian TV series), Dark Sunset, Be Happy (TV series), The Quarters (2012 TV series), Eat Already? 4 and The Thin Line (Malaysian TV series). Multiple? appeared in over 40 different shows. Notable- most of these shows have ENGLISH wiki articles.... a few quotes about these shows: "The Vagrant was the second highest rated drama serial in 2002;" An Ode to Life-"The drama achieved the highest viewership rate in Year 2004." As if that isn't enough, he has Variety Show appearances and multiple nominations (not all listed in this article) Sethie (talk) 19:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- You are forgetting about the "significant roles" part. Appearing in a few episodes as a supporting character is not a significant role, no matter how notable the series is. WP:NACTOR states that at least one of the criteria must be passed, which is why all three must be proven to be false for the article not the pass that criterion. As I have commented above, the awards are not significant, he hasn't won them anyway, and he doesn't pass any of the NACTOR criteria, so there's no reason to keep the article? 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- "Love interest" seems pretty much to fit the description of secondary, non-significant character. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- "Nominated for best actor" doesn't mean anything, unless it's as part of a significant award (ex. the Academy Awards. "Won" wouldn't have more impact unless it was some similarly important award, and the Star Awards fall short of this because they are not independently awarded but awarded by the parent company, so it does not make the awards significant, or even well-known outside of Singapore. "Lead role" in a variety show which ran for less than 1 month isn't significant. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 03:23, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- "Love interest" seems pretty much to fit the description of secondary, non-significant character. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- You are forgetting about the "significant roles" part. Appearing in a few episodes as a supporting character is not a significant role, no matter how notable the series is. WP:NACTOR states that at least one of the criteria must be passed, which is why all three must be proven to be false for the article not the pass that criterion. As I have commented above, the awards are not significant, he hasn't won them anyway, and he doesn't pass any of the NACTOR criteria, so there's no reason to keep the article? 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. MT TrainTalk 03:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. MT TrainTalk 03:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as the article is deceptive in listing all his roles as supporting when in fact he has had main roles in a number of nationally broadcast TV series of at least twenty episodes each as shown in each article. His roles include a series second billing, another series second billing,a series third billing, two series with fourth billings, and another two series with fifth billings. So he passes criteria 1 of WP:NACTOR with multiple prominent roles in nationally broadcast television series. Atlantic306 (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- 'Nationally broadcast' is not a criteria for notability. As for the series where he supposedly had main roles, there seems to be little coverage, for example, Priceless Wonder currently only cites one reliable source - and it's a broken link (the other wasn't reliable), and it's probably a passing mention. A google search does not reveal any coverage of the series either. There would need to be coverage (even in Chinese) which would meet the criteria of WP:SIGCOV (i.e., that it is not routine coverage, that it is not trivial mentions and that it is independent and reliable). 198.84.253.202 (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- WP:TVSERIES opines that nationally broadcast tv series are normally notable so if not online there should be offline sources. WP:GNG does not mention routine coverage as that qualification is too subjective Atlantic306 (talk) 15:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Found the link you mentioned in the Priceless Wonder article and it seems significant coverage as the article is directly about him here. Please note that Zzen Zhang is his other name and redircts to Zen Chong, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- WP:TVSERIES opines that nationally broadcast tv series are normally notable so if not online there should be offline sources. WP:GNG does not mention routine coverage as that qualification is too subjective Atlantic306 (talk) 15:33, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- 'Nationally broadcast' is not a criteria for notability. As for the series where he supposedly had main roles, there seems to be little coverage, for example, Priceless Wonder currently only cites one reliable source - and it's a broken link (the other wasn't reliable), and it's probably a passing mention. A google search does not reveal any coverage of the series either. There would need to be coverage (even in Chinese) which would meet the criteria of WP:SIGCOV (i.e., that it is not routine coverage, that it is not trivial mentions and that it is independent and reliable). 198.84.253.202 (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems to pass WP:NACTOR. This appears to me to be a content dispute that has escalated to an AfD. -- The Anome (talk) 09:48, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - hard to argue that his credits don't pass WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 17:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Withdrawn 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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