Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zarb-e-Sukhan

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The result was Redirect. Excessive nomination. (non-admin closure) Greenbörg (talk) 09:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See the talk page for more about the duplication nominations. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zarb-e-Sukhan[edit]

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This article share the same problems in referencing with The Wise Way therefore i suggest it to be deleted. Saqib (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Zarb-e-Sukhan of the author Ehsan Sehgal is a poetry collection of their four-decade long career & it consists 1000 plus pages. It was reviewed by multiple newspapers:
A splendid poetry collection. Daily Times.
Daily Jang. 24 November 2012.
Urdu, surviving against odds. Daily Rising Kashmir
Daily Jang. 15 May 2012.
Daily Jang. 13 May 2012. (dead link)

So, it seems to pass GNG. If others think otherwise, it should definitely be merged with the author's article. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So just to be clear, this is a concurrent Afd along with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wise Way and the author's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ehsan Sehgal (3nd nomination). Possibly more, but those two for sure. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Those have both been open for more than 7 days now, any idea why they haven't been closed yet? Landscape repton (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This self-published poetry book doesn't come close to meeting any of the three thresh-hold criteria for book notability.

1) It doesn't have an ISBN number.

2) worldcat searches in both English and Urdu return zero results for it in library holdings (compared to the threshold criteria of a dozen or more holdings)

3) It doesn't appear in the 'relevant' National Collection, whether that's taken to be Britain, The Netherlands, or Pakistan. None of them contain this book in their catalogues.

Normally, failure of any one of these would be taken as exclusionary. There were a small number of reviews, but nothing to suggest notability, and certainly not enough to suggest this book warrants a standalone article distinct from the author page.

I'd also note that there's a strong argument that this breaches WP:G11. The article was created by a personal friend of the author who 'shares his computer sometimes', and was first added to minutes after creation by the author himself. I've tried removing some of the more explicit promotional language, but it's still inherently promotional.

I've not much against merging to the author page except that there's basically nothing here that isn't a duplication of what's there anyway. Landscape repton (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. I was in favour of merge previously but looking at the sources and BLP's AfD it will be better to delete this page. Best, we can redirect it. Greenbörg (talk) 06:44, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.