Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yurii Kerpatenko

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is clear consensus that there is notability here. There isn't clear consensus about keeping it at the present title or moving it to an article about his death, and this discussion does not preclude either option. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yurii Kerpatenko[edit]

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Extent of notability unclear. Not to mudsling the dead, but how was Kerpatenko encyclopedically notable as a musician?

Did being the principal conductor of the Kherson Regional Philharmonic's chamber orchestra and the Mykola Kulish Music and Drama Theatre make him a notable conductor/orchestrator as per WP:MUSICBIO?

Do we have any ample coverage from before 13 October 2022? I can't seem to find anything significant. Perhaps a Ukrainian speaker could take a look at any Ukrainian sources. Mooonswimmer 14:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Ukraine. Shellwood (talk) 16:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 2 'Folk Instruments' has no obvious date on the source, but images are tagged 2014; the archived copy dated 2015 includes Kerpatenko picture and biography. Have adjusted 'archve-date' accordingly. translated quote: "Among its best graduates of different years are O.I. Serdyuk (in the 1990s - head of the city's culture department), Yu.M. Ivanenko - director of the Kherson Regional Philharmonic, Yu.L. Kerpatenko - conductor of the Drama Theater named after M. Kulisha." For any more refs, again, 'Perhaps a Ukrainian speaker could take a look at any Ukrainian sources.' Yadsalohcin (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, the ArtKavun ref predates Kerpatenko's demise by almost 5 years. Do these sources count as 'ample' or 'significant'? Indicative, perhaps, that there was something a bit noteworthy about him... Yadsalohcin (talk) 23:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion it will be a grave mistake to delete this entry. He may have not been an important musician before the Russian-Ukrainian war but his name is now known all over the world and his (alleged) murder has become a subject for protest and rage all over the world. The cruelty of the deed will very probably make him a symbol of the war and this has encyclopedic importance in my opinion. Rnaveh (talk) 10:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – What Rnaveh said. One only needs to click on the helpfully provided links above, Find sources, and find hundreds of outlets, including the New York Times, mentioning him, so notability is not an issue.Further, WP:ONEEVENT doesn't preclude articles in these circumstances. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There seems to be at least one specific reference on his career (Art Kavun), so he probably meets notability requirements for a bio. But if not, the “Murder of Yurii Kerpatenko” has certainly gained enough coverage to qualify for an article. If the former were deemed insufficient, the article can be moved as it’s justified by the latter. —Michael Z. 15:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move - I agree with Rnaveh that Kerpatenko's death is notable and deserves it's own article, although I cannot find any information on Kerpatenko prior to his death. I think a Murder of Yurii Kerpatenko article would be much more sufficient at explaining his importance. Jebiguess (talk) 19:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Although his notability is mostly concerned with the circumstances of his death, that is very high-profile and has become symbolic. It may be that in a couple of years this could be revisited, but at the moment certainly lots of people are talking about this in the public sphere, and that makes it notable. Alternatively move to an article name about the murder. --Doric Loon (talk) 22:12, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, or at the very least move: this story has received enough coverage internationally that it shouldn't be deleted. I can't speak to earlier notability, but I think one can certainly argue that the circumstances of his death pass the threshold. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or move-- wide breadth of international coverage in major publications such as Economist obituary clearly establish notability. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per WP:SIGCOV. There is global coverage of the subject's death. The article can be expanded from some sources, like the aforementioned Economist. It is possible other sources exist in Ukrainian and Russian-language sources. TJMSmith (talk) 21:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.