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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The article is therefore kept by default.  Sandstein  09:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Yongfu[edit]

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Third recreation of an article that has already been G11-speedied twice since its first creation on July 2; in light of that I felt it better to go the AFD route instead of speedying it a third time. The problem here is that the article is essentially a prosified version of a résumé, rather than a properly encyclopedic article about him — and while it does cite reliable sources, every last one of them simply mentions his name briefly within coverage of other topics and thus fails to constitute sufficiently substantive coverage of him (as in the kind where he is the subject). The sources would support an article about the company he leads, in which his name could appear unlinked, but they do not support a standalone biography of him. So it's still a delete. Bearcat (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 20:55, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 20:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

comment Sorry, but have you tried to find sources before your nomination, nominator? I can find quite a few. For example [1][2]@Bearcat:--114.81.255.41 (talk) 00:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete and salt. Nothing but spam, and no substantial coverage. The two links provided by 114.81.255.41 don't mention his name in Latin letters, and when I search for his name 俞永福 in the text, I get lots of results — but they're all parts of words, not freestanding names. As far as I can see, it's as if we were searching for someone named Black and claimed that we were getting lots of coverage about the guy in articles about blacksmithing and blackmail. Nyttend (talk) 00:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
[Redacted. See WP:NPA] 123.121.206.13 (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm surprised and somewhat offended that my comment was deleted by Nyttend. If you check the editing history, you will see that it was highly relevant to the discussion. Here it is again without any reference to Nyttend: The grandparent comment is false. Both of those links are absolutely about Yu Yongfu, the UCWeb chairman and CEO. Even translation software like Google Translate translates both of the linked articles well enough that it's very clear that they are about the article subject. "俞永福" is not even part of any word in Chinese. 111.206.190.220 (talk) 01:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC) (the same person as the parent deleted comment, but not the same person as the other deleted comment, which also wasn't a personal attack)[reply]
What gets a person into Wikipedia is not the assertion of importance, but the quality of reliable sourcing that you can provide to support the assertion of importance. The UCWeb article was speedied for being a copyright infringement, because it was copied and pasted directly from somewhere else, and this article is not sourced to any substantive coverage of Yu Yongfu himself, but merely to articles which happen to mention his name strictly in passing. That doesn't mean that either the company or him as a person can never have articles on Wikipedia — but the onus is on you to ensure that you're following Wikipedia's content and sourcing rules when you try to write one, and not on Wikipedia to keep any version which violates those rules. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, that's why, in support of the notability claim, the first source cited above is an in-depth profile by the People's Daily, which is the Chinese equivalent of a reliable source similar to the The New York Times or The Times. That, along with the other Chinese coverage, makes him notable.  Philg88 ♦talk 17:34, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can only go by the Google translation of this article, but by our usual standards this is puffery wherever published. PD is certainly reliable for many purposes, but if this is typical, it may not be for BLP of entrepreneurs. DGG ( talk ) 13:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In-depth coverage in other sources does exist.([3][4]) He is also discussed in this magazine. (114.81.255.*)@DGG:--180.172.239.231 (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 180.172.239.231 (talk) 06:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 03:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete Yu Yong has a claim to notability, CEO of large corporation, but I should point out that mention is not significant coverage. The magazine listed by 180.172.239.231 is not in depth coverage, just a mere mention. The other two may possibly be reliable sources, but the Sina source is a republisher, and it is hard to tell. The fact that they both read like "resumes" does not instill confidence that they are reliable sources. --Bejnar (talk) 13:58, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the FT source[1] indicates him as a major player to watch (it's a full-blown profile - significant coverage), and the article in its current form does not look puffy to me. He's clearly a notable player in Chinese tech, and its mobile industry, which is the biggest in the world, and, although my Chinese isn't good enough to read the relevant Chinese sources, there are clearly plenty of them, as there are in specialist tech publications in English. They're also headlining articles about *him* - not about his business. A general note: we don't, I think, cover China particularly well, and I think any 36yo in Silicon Valley who'd built a company to that size and managed that sort of buyout would be included. AdventurousMe (talk) 04:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/4156464c-1fe5-11e3-8861-00144feab7de.html#axzz3AcSsPnuo
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