Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You and I (band) (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. without predjudice to recreation if non-trivial discussion in reliable sources can be found Fritzpoll (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You and I (band)[edit]

Does not appear to meet WP:BAND requirements. Record label is not verifiable. Only "sources" are from an old AOL blog. Various search strings I tried on Internet engines turned up only the Wikipedia article in question. Finally, none of the alleged band members were notable before or after they were purportedly part of this band. Enigma^msg 04:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - For a band that no longer exists (and even their website is referenced as "defunct") I would expect to see some claim to notability there - some sort of historical value. Apparently not. It's just difficult to search given how common you and I is. §FreeRangeFrog 05:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is worth reading, and is a reliable source. Chubbles (talk) 05:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
CSD A7. Band gives no assertion of notability. I would also suggest that their album The Curtain Falls be nominated at AFD. Firestorm ^Talk 05:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Keep - I can find no notable sources on the band or the album. AllMusic is notable but cannot prove notoriety as it's a blog (see A7). OlYeller^Talktome 06:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Technically AllMusic is not a blog. It's bloggy I guess, in some cases, but I see it more as a sort of encyclopedia for music (with no limits to inclusion). Having said that, in this particular case I would not consider a blurb on there to be a valid source that establishes notability - anymore that I would consider this article as valid just because it shows up on Google when I search for the band, either. §FreeRangeFrog 08:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Allmusic is not a blog. It has a blog, like many well-known media agencies, but it is not a blog. It is probably the most comprehensive online database of music in existence, which empoys third-party writers to write about music. They do have limits on inclusion; they attempt to catalogue everything that's commercially available, but they only review or write biographies for material that they consider to be worthy of mention, just like a normal news site or review magazine. Chubbles (talk) 15:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well it might not be a blog (even though that's how it's described on the wiki page) but I personally don't consider it a reliable source under WP:RS. That's just my opinion on where the reliable source line is drawn. OlYeller^Talktome 18:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I retract my statements about Allmusic per WP:NM#Resources. It specifically indicated that AllMusic is a reliable source. I can't say I agree at all but I'm not a policy maker. OlYeller^Talktome 19:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you're a policy-maker, you're an editor! --Ged UK (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. The allmusic coverage is fine, and there are a couple of Google books results ([1], [2]), plus there are other mentions that while not perhaps significant coverage, do indicate that this is an important and influential screamo band ([3]). The band that Casey Boland later joined, Hot Cross, appears to be notable, with this Hot Cross review describing You and I as a "legendary band".--Michig (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Allmusic may be a source, but it isn't enough to demonstrate notability. For a band like this, multiple sources are preferred, and they should discuss the band, not mention it trivially. Themfromspace (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no major claims to notability WP:BAND. JamesBurns (talk) 00:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per JamesBurns.... RP459 (talk) 00:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. these guys were influential in the screamo scene. also per Michig. With a name like "You and I" finding reliable sources via google is going to be wicked hard, but we shouldn't hold that against them. They were a notable level (Level-plane, members went on to clearly notable bands.Yilloslime ^T_C 05:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Michig's sources , plus allmusic are enough for me. Notability established. --Ged UK (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.