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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Seems like notability criteria are satisfied, if a merger is still desired (but hasn't gained that much support in this discussion) a dedicated merger discussion could be tried on the talk page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You Know Me movement[edit]

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Delete - Does not meet WP:N standards. The article is based around a trending hashtag, and there's no evidence that it's a real movement. As of right now, the only result for "You Know Me Movement" is this Wikipedia page and an entertainment website called "Plus TV Africa". I'd even recommend a speedy deletion, since it's possible the Wikipedia article might accidentally make it notable. The article amplifies a very quiet and unknown movement based off a popular hashtag. They also had a facebook page, but it seems to have been deleted and wasn't archived. New info has surfaced, see GorillaWarfare's comment. Alex.osheter (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy Keep - Wow, look at all those citations and references that establish its notability.--Jorm (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Review them, you'd be surprised. Alex.osheter (talk) 21:55, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed them all, in different languages even. Even the Nederlandse Omroep Stichting (Dutch Broadcast Foundation) in my country wrote about it. [1] The movement has gained international media coverage outside the USA, among others in Germany [2] and France [3] as well. PhotoandGrime (Pieke Roelofs) (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Trending hashtags" can be (and have been) notable even if they're not "real movements" (whatever that means). I'm not sure what you mean by "The article amplifies a very quiet and unknown movement based off a popular hashtag"—I doubt you're referring to the pro-choice movement as "very quiet and unknown", but I'm not sure who you are referring to.
As an additional note, it's a bit unusual to take an article to AfD when you think it should be speedy-deleted. Normally you would just tag the article with a CSD tag. That said, I think it's for the best that you did bring it here—I suspect the speedy would've been declined. GorillaWarfare (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Yes, of course I was talking about this movement specifically, not the pro-choice movement as a whole. From the sources you've provided, it's possible it could definitely be notable enough to be an article. We'll let other editors vote on this and see. Per this new information, I've removed the "speedy" part, as I now see there's no risk of accidentally making it known (RS have talked about it). I still think it lacks significant coverage, but this may change with new information and as time goes on. In which case, we'll of course keep the article. Alex.osheter (talk) 22:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It has been referred to as a 'viral social media campaign' and movement in the media: [4][5][6][7][8][9]
Just do a twitter search and you will find hundreds of people referring to it as a movement already as well. Furthermore, this movement seems to be a second wave of a 2015 movement (#ShoutYourAbortion). The build-up of this second movement #YouKnowMe has been going on for months, with different women speaking out on their own abortions publicly before someone started using a 2019 hashtag to bring all those voices together. In 2017' #MeToo movement there have been references to similar movements happening prior to #MeToo as well, which were recognised later as influential or in Tarana Burker's case, as the original start (and the original founder). Considering I've seen this #youknowme movement happen live, and was also aware of the build-up to it and prior movements, I figured to write the article due to the massive impact it's already been having, to provide a historic timeline of the 'waves' and build-up to it as well, because I knew I could write it based on the research I had already done on it, and because the movement has been recognised. I was accused be the user who proposed deletion of potentially writing the article and others due to a 'conflict of interest' because I am, outside Wikipedia, an activist. I stated this on my user page specifically to make sure I could be checked on conflicts of interest and my writing by Wiki users, in good faith, in case I would ever mess up. However, what I do outside of Wikipedia, does not mean I cannot objectively write an article. I leave my opinion outside Wikipedia, and while I may have identified the murder of a woman in a previous article (which caused massive outrage in Belgium) as 'notable' (the woman) while I should have marked her page as 'the death of' instead of referring to the woman alone, it doesn't mean there is a conflict of interest or that I reported the case with bias, which the user in this thread also tried to make out. I joined Wiki to do something useful in an open-source way with all the knowledge I have on specific topics, to give something back, and not let that knowledge (and the resources I have on the knowledge) go to waste. I can differentiate between fact and opinion, and being accused by the user in this thread, (see my user talk page and their message), is not constructive criticism, and frankly a bit strange. I have received constructive criticism and advice on my other articles in a great way, which I've picked up on. In the case of this user, not so much. It makes me wonder if they have a conflict of interest in suggesting this article for deletion. PhotoandGrime (Pieke Roelofs) (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "#YouKnowMe: vrouwen staan op tegen strenge abortuswet". May 16, 2019. Archived from the original on May 19, 2019.
  2. ^ "#youknowme: Frauen teilen aus Protest ihre Abtreibungs-Geschichten auf Twitter". May 16, 2019. Archived from the original on May 19, 2019.
  3. ^ "#YouKnowMe : des femmes témoignent pour défendre le droit à l'avortement". May 16, 2019. Archived from the original on May 19, 2019.
  4. ^ "How 'You Know Me' became #YouKnowMe". May 15, 2019. Archived from the original on May 16, 2019.
  5. ^ "Busy Philipps starts 'You Know Me' hashtag for women to share abortion stories — and it quickly goes viral". May 15, 2019. Archived from the original on May 17, 2019.
  6. ^ "#YouKnowMe: why women are sharing their abortion stories". May 16, 2019. Archived from the original on May 17, 2019.
  7. ^ ""A real life version of The Handmaid's Tale": Why everyone is talking about US abortion laws". May 16, 2019. Archived from the original on May 18, 2019.
  8. ^ "How 'Women shouldn't have to tell abortion stories to remind lawmakers they're human". May 18, 2019. Archived from the original on May 18, 2019.
  9. ^ "#youknowme - women mobilise against U.S. abortion crawikickdown". May 16, 2019. Archived from the original on May 18, 2019.
  • Keep: meets GNG per review of available sources. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:27, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:09, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you refer to it as a news event alone when thousands of women, not just in the USA alone, speak 'forbidden' things to end social stigma? Why would you not call it a movement? "A social movement is a type of group action. There is no single consensus definition of a social movement. They are large, sometimes informal, groupings of individuals or organizations which focus on specific political or social issues. In other words, they carry out, resist, or undo a social change. They provide a way of social change from the bottom within nations.

Just an example of some articles from the last 24 hours. PhotoandGrime (Pieke Roelofs) (talk) 17:39, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep -- There are abundant articles on parallel phenomena in recent years, in the English speaking world and well beyond. As seen with matters such as the Arab Spring the "hashtags" become movements and are carried forth by new social media channels. The phrase YouKnowMe has become the subject of many articles in recent days. The contributing editors to the article have provided ample and careful documentation. As the previous editor has said, a valid case can be made for describing this present movement as a social movement.

It would seem that there is a political agenda in opposing this article and seeking its deletion. So, for the above reasons I argue keeping it.Dogru144 (talk) 02:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There are plentiful RS on the movement (even from a global financial news site, which I've added) , and it is in direct response to the anti-abortion laws being enacted in the US. LovelyLillith (talk) 18:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to ShoutYourAbortion until a You Know Me article has enough meat to stand up on its own. Personally, I hope this doesn't happen. I find it pathetic that common phrases (such as "Me Too" and "You Know Me") are being used to push misandrist (the former) and pro-abortion (the latter) political positions, but I digress. If the article were to survive, it should include references to not just the pro-aborts fighting anti-abortion/pro-life laws, but also notes about Unplanned (the 2011 book turned into the 2019 film) having tremendous success (it made the top 5 box office in USA), Abortion in the Republic of Ireland (after repealing the 8th, Ireland began abortions on January 1, 2019) and other relevant topics. --LABcrabs (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notably enough that a politician referred to it. On Tuesday, May 22, 2019, California Rep. Jackie Speier spoke about her abortion at a protest in Washington DC:
You know me, I am one of the 1 in 4 women who has had an abortion in this country. ... I am not ashamed [1]

PhotoandGrime (Pieke Roelofs) (talk) 16:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I created a new page this morning, List of celebrities who have had an abortion. It has also been flagged for deletion. Just want to raise so everyone engaged in this discussion is aware of the related page. Scribestress (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Scribestress: - a friendly note that this is not the appropriate place to mention this, as it could be construed as canvassing. The link will provide you with areas that would be more appropriate to discuss your article. LovelyLillith (talk) 18:59, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@LovelyLillith: - thanks for the heads up.
  • Merge to Stop the Bans. A sentence there can say that Jackie Speier, Representative of California, used the slogan at one of the rallies. These events seem tightly connected and it would make sense to keep it at one place, at least until there is too much coverage around the nation. wumbolo ^^^ 18:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC) No longer my opinion as Busy Philipps is a better merge target than that. wumbolo ^^^ 14:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Stop the Bans is a movement directly requesting political change / a stop concerning changing abortion laws in the USA, You Know Me is encouraging women to talk about their abortions to eradicate stigma surrounding abortion. I would not merge these pages simply because of the subtle difference in topic and especially because the latter has gone viral and has shown global responses from women, and by isolating it to the USA Stop The Bans protests alone, misses the global notability of it. #YouKnowMe coverage happened before Stop The Bans as well. PhotoandGrime (Pieke Roelofs) (talk) 22:15, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The movement has lengthy coverage and establishes WP:GNG. See [1] [2] [3], and it also has tons of local coverage. wumbolo ^^^ 14:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Notability was established. - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ "Thousands Of Women Across The US Marched To Protest Abortion Bans". May 21, 2019. Archived from the original on May 22, 2019.
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