Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoshiki Ohmura

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus leans heavily to delete. Add in the privacy concerns of someone who is marginally notable in a best-case scenario, and the case for delete becomes more clear. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 20:33, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshiki Ohmura[edit]

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I am the article subject, I regard myself as a non-notable, private person, and I want the article to be deleted

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 00:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 00:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'd agree with the nominator on the WP:GNG failure, even if I assume the nominator isn't the article subject. SportingFlyer talk 04:20, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not notable as a racing driver but is notable as a Swiss banker and meets the GNG. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article has been expanded since the nomination, and Ohmura is notable for his career in finance. Edwardx (talk) 20:16, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Frederic Marino may be notable, but not this man.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG per the sources provided. We don't delete people's articles just because they want us to, especially when they can't prove they are who they say they are. Smartyllama (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ I am both the nominator and subject of this article, and requested the delegation as my work as an employee or starting my own independent firm is not notable in regards to be included here. The article added after my nomination was factually incorrect (the link was because of my previous employer), which can be verified against other articles on the same issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshi1975 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's delete vote struck. You can't vote twice. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:18, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just a comment, I believe he is correct, the misconduct issue was related to the subjects boss, as a bank worker the subject was mentioned in some court documents but was in no way indicated to be involved. How this should be mentioned, if at all, well be a BLP issue, but since this article is non-notable I can't see much point in fixing it. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you are factually correct there. The Times say "FMCP [the complainant] argues that Mr Marino misappropriated the money with the help of Yoshiki Ohmura, a Swiss racing driver who ran the structured investment arm of GAM, a $76 billion hedge fund subsidiary of Julius Baer. Mr Ohmura is also a defendant in the case. He allegedly helped to draw up the "introducer fee" contract between GAM and Ironfly." He may be completely innocent of course but his alleged role seems more than minor and significant enough for The Times to comment on in detail. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:39, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is probably about right, if this is kept (somehow) that could almost be pasted into the article, but really I think it would belong in an article about GAM regardless. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 04:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete for failing WP:GNG as well as WP:NSPORT. We should also take into account the possibility that WP:BLPKIND applies. -The Gnome (talk) 12:02, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete articles about business-people are generally non-notable unless well covered in secondary sources. I would say that this a fairly low level/middle management swiss banker who isn't a major figurehead and whose work is not notable. The times coverage is a mention about the misdealings of a company he works for and his boss who was probably corrupt [1]. Bloomberg routinely lists bankers and does not establish notability. hedgefundsclub.com etc are not in my view reliable sources and the FT article is barely a mention. His activity as a racing driver is not even professional, let alone at a higher level, people are not notable for their hobbies that are not covered by reliable sources. I will totally ignore the possibility of this being the subject asking for deletion because the correct venue for that is via an OTRS procedural nomination. However the nominator is correct that this biography is not notable. Prince of Thieves (talk) 13:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If he is so private could you please explain the existence of the HFC page which discusses his motor racing, his business activities and his family, and was clearly done with his agreement, the interview with the Financial Times (agree the other FT ref is minor), and his involvement with the television series Make it your Race of which he says "I’m one of the judges and the coach for the Swiss team. The show was a big success and broadcast in many countries." Here is one of the professionally filmed publicity videos he did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yR0QLe2Qa8 Here is the Ferrari driver page for him: http://races.ferrari.com/en/corse-clienti/drivers/yoshiki-ohmura/ There are numerous other publicity photos and videos on the web. All look professionally done. He doesn't seem that private to me. Isn't it more likely that he has had an attack of privacy since receiving adverse press coverage? As for being some sort of minor figure, he is stated to be the CEO of two companies. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well so are tens of thousands of people that want or don't want articles. Dozens of article on people who are CEO's, hedge fund people, minor sports players and people that briefly appeared in TV shows are deleted every day, and this reverse psychology thing should really be ignored. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails GNG. Carrite (talk) 10:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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