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The result was delete. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 06:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yanick Dusseault[edit]

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My nom is very similar to that in this related recent AfD, for a reason.

Non-notable. Promotional, with likely COI / UPE issues. Effectively unreferenced, as it only lists a few sources at the end, without actually citing any. And of them, only one (namely #4, the latter La Presse article) fully meets the GNG criteria, the rest are primary, and BEFORE finds nothing beyond the usual social media accounts, directory listings, etc. The career details look at first impressive, but essentially are just a work history, with nothing to indicate they would add up to WP:FILMMAKER / WP:ARTIST notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is no - a nomination don't count, awarding a major public award does. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if there's an actual policy on this, but my gut says this would depend on the 'importance' of the award, and also on whether the person received it in their own right (or at least in a lead role) or as part of a wider team. As for the nomination vs. win question, IMDb claims that they did actually win some of these, although this isn't mentioned in the article. All the same, I would argue that a (shared) award like that isn't alone enough to make anyone inherently notable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would a shared award and the one article add to notability for our purposes here? Leaning Keep. Oaktree b (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For major awards (e.g. Oscars, Emmys, etc.) which curate and release shortlists of nominees between the "any person who meets the eligibility criteria can submit their work for consideration" and "announcement of the actual winner" phases, a nomination is often considered sufficient — it wouldn't be enough in the case of something like the Nobel Prize, where absolutely anybody on earth can be submitted but the Nobel Prize committee doesn't reveal anything at all about who's actually under serious consideration until the actual winner is announced, but it can be a valid notability claim if there's an official shortlist released by the award committee as part of the process. So it's not at all the case that non-winning nominees can never be notable for that per se — it depends on the award, because nomination is enough for some awards and not enough for others. What I don't know is whether we've ever established a consensus either way around which bucket the VES Awards would fall in.
We also don't, for the record, treat "team" nominations or wins any differently than "solo" nominations or wins when it comes to awards like this: if an award is accepted as significant enough to be a notability-maker for its nominees and/or winners at all, then group nominations or wins count just the same as solo ones so long as the person was actually named as a nominee in their own right and isn't just trying to reify "was part of the support crew behind the actual nominees" into personal nominations of their own. Bearcat (talk) 13:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I plug his name into GBooks above and you get pages and pages of mentions with his name, seems to be an OG matte painter in the movie world, everything from Marvel to Lord of the Rings to Star Trek. I think that's enough traction to keep the article. One newspaper feature, at least 2 nominations for the awards above and about a dozen mentions in books. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    'Mentions' being the operative word there. Mentions =/= sigcov. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unreferenced BLP by editor with only one article. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write and source something better. Even the article about his business partner was deleted on WP:TNT grounds rather than fundamental non-notability — he had a valid notability claim, but the article was such a badly-written and puffed-up mess that starting over from scratch had to be preferred over keeping the existing article regardless of his basis for notability, and that's kind of the same here. (Raynault's advertorialized puffery isn't a problem in this case, because that stuff's already been cleaned up, but the formatting and sourcing here are still for the birds.)
    Dusseault isn't even just a VES nominee, by the way, because he actually also has a VES win under his belt ([3]) — but to me, the VES seems like the kind of mid-level "important in its field, but not prominent among the general public" award where that would be enough if the article were well-sourced, but not enough if the presence of his name in award listicles is more or less the only sourcing he has. So "Un Québécois au coeur de l'aventure Star Wars" is indeed a start down the right path (but "Pourquoi j’ai quitté l’empire Star Wars?" is not, because he wrote that himself in the first person) — if somebody could find two or three more of those, then he'd be keepable on WP:GNG grounds regardless of any disagreements about the notability of the VES Awards, but I don't think a VES award is enough all by itself to exempt him from having to have at least a couple more sources of an "Un Québécois au coeur de l'aventure Star Wars" calibre. Bearcat (talk) 13:36, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article in "La Nouvelle Union" [4] and "Voir.ca" [5]. Part of the article talks about him, Quebecers at the Oscars [6] Oaktree b (talk) 23:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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