Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xykogen

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The result was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Xykogen[edit]

Doesn't seem to meet WP:BAND. Albums were released on a label that's up for AFD, only sources are primary or unsubstantial. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's disingenuous of you to claim "non-notable because an associated article is up for AfD" when you yourself tagged that article the same day. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it isn't, since he didn't. i did. In addition to which, it's possible both articles are non-notable. That doesn't mean they can't be considered at the same time. tomasz. 14:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your logic is still circular and thus flawed: "the bands are non-notable because they're on a label that's tagged AfD", and "the labels are non-notable because they're only bands that are tagged AfD" -- when they were all tagged in one go! Andy Dingley (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are (in my view) non-notable because they don't pass WP:BAND. tomasz. 14:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I pasted my comment to the wrong vote - I've moved both mine and your reply back to where it should have gone.

Yes, if they're objectively non-notable, then they're non-notable. However the circular fallacy "Albums were released on a label that's up for AFD" still applies to the original statement here. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable (no WP:BAND criteria passed) as are both their record labels if you ask me. tomasz. 14:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Andy Dingley (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Only one full length album. Only secondary source is a short gig review. Duffbeerforme (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:MUSIC 6 applies here too, on the grounds of the link via The Chaos Engine (band)Chain D.L.K. on Eris, Chaos Engine & Wasp Factory. This would admittedly be more obvious is that wasn't a redlink... Andy Dingley (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reading that article I only get that Eris is associated with Wasp Factory, not that he was or is a member of another notable band. Duffbeerforme (talk) 06:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the difference between Wasp Factory and The Chaos Engine anyway? (if you're familiar with the scene, you'll understand how overlapped the two were). The point is that Eris (and obviously Lee Chaos) were more notable than either of these individual projects. The nature of the Industrial scene was to have loose groups of the same people, in ever-changing combinations. As it stands it's like trying to argue that a Berry Gordy side-project is notable, when there's no article on himself or the Jackson 5, just one on Diana Ross that doesn't even mention him. Andy Dingley (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.