Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xavier Torres Buigues

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 13:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Xavier Torres Buigues[edit]

Non-notable footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE. Never played in a level higher than Segunda Division B, which is not fully professional. Angelo (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 11:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. When and if he plays for La Liga or other professional league he can be brought back. -- Alexf^(talk) 12:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - a lot of players from Barcelona B have Wikipedia pages, are they going to be deleted as well? Segunda B is the third tier, and furthermore the A team is permitted to "borrow" players from their B team throughout the season, whenever back-up in a certain position is needed. He is even registered to play in this year's Champions League. The Segunda División B may not be fully professional, but you can bet your bottom euro that Xavi Torres gets a decent living wage. :-) I also find it odd that the nominator, Angelo, himself is clearly a big football fan and a coach, and has written and updated a number of pages about the Italian lower divisions and its players, so a bit hypocritical I think. Is for example Giacomo Modica, current coach of Serie C2 (fourth division) Celano, and whose page was created by Angelo, any more wikiworthy than Xavi Torres, who would be eligible to play for Barcelona's A team, in UEFA, at any time and has been registered with UEFA to play? I think not. Let us not get into silly rows: I think Angelo really should withdraw his nomination before some of us start thinking about black pots and kettles. As for the rest of you, I see GiantSnowman has a soft spot for Bradford's players (fourth tier, English league). Good for you. My team is Valencia CF and I have a soft spot for all of them. Before you start nominating for deletion pages on players from "lesser" teams, think of the players and teams you're interested in. Wikipedia works because many people see the free time they volunteer to the website as a labour of love, and a desire to inform. There are plenty of hoax and promotional Wikipedia pages to keep the deletionists happy. I really think there is a time and a place, and when football fans (and often fans of lesser teams in their own countries) start recommending the deletion of pages that they would be interested in unkeeping had they applied to leagues in their own country, really does get under my skin. Chill, guys! :-) Xavi Torres is as notable as any Bradford or Celano player, and is much more likely to play in the Champions League in the coming months than any Bradford/Celano player. Tris2000 (talk) 12:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modica is a former player for several Serie B teams, he even won promotion to the top flight when at Padova. And current and past Serie B players are notable, because they used to play in a fully professional league. This is not Torres's case, since Segunda Division B is not a fully professional league. --Angelo (talk) 13:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as clearly fails WP:ATHLETE. To Tris2000: If there are other articles on Barcelona B players who have never played in the Primera or Segunda division, then yes, they should also be deleted (but anyway, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument in an AfD). It is also not the done thing to go through other editors histories and then pick out things and effectively accuse them of being hypocrites, especially when you are the one who has misunderstood guidelines. Serie C2 is a fully professional league; Segunda B is not, and WP:ATHLETE clearly states that they must have played in a fully pro league. If this guy does ever play for Barcelona, then yes, he'll have an article, but until then, claiming that he's more likely to play in the CL is mere guesswork. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 13:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Apologies if it was not good etiquette to look at other people's contributions, I just find it odd that's all. Does the fact that he registered and given a number for UEFA Champions League this year not give him notability? Like his teammate David Córcoles who actually played a few minutes in the Champions League with Valencia CF against Roma two seasons ago... is he more notable than Xavi Torres? I wouldn't like to say, to be honest. There's so much rubbish on Wikipedia - hoaxes and self-promotions - that are obviously worth deleting. I cannot understand why guys like you (and this is not a personal attack) want to delete stuff which in effect is doing no harm by being there, is informative, etc. If Xavi Torres were to play in Barcelona's next Champions League game, people will look him up on Wiki and there'll be nothing (if it gets deleted). Then someone else will have to recreate a page (and never being sure whether playing a few minutes at the end will be notable enough as far as the deletionists are concerned). What a waste of energy. Keep the poor guy up here, as a stub, and let it pass. I don't even like FC Barcelona, I couldn't give a toss about their players, I just think that this is a matter of principle. Again, apologies if I failed in the netiquette stakes. Tris2000 (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question, no it does not give him notability. Actually playing a game would. The "doing no harm by being there" argument is a very very poor reasons for keeping an article. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete At first I was wondering if Barca B was proper league, but then as I see they are slowly being classed and pushed out to a reserve league it tends to say that all those Barca B games he played aren't eligible for stats record and I guess it would be the case on that Xavier Torres hasn't made a full debut and shouldn't be notable till he has played a proper pro game. Govvy (talk) 14:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The AfD template has been removed several times from the page. Can people keep an eye on it - it's been gone for over 24-hours during this AfD period already. Perhaps someone should semi-protect if it continues. Nfitz (talk) 16:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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