Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Randolph III

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to William Randolph (disambiguation). Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:54, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

William Randolph III[edit]

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A disambig that is about two non notable individuals. Any material worth keeping should be merged into whatever articles their fathers have. Slatersteven (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- Keep -- As the creator of this disambig, I obviously have a rationale: The Randolph family of Virginia has many famous members in it, and they owned famous plantations in the Richmond area. Two of them (Wilton House and Tuckahoe Plantation) were owned by two different "William Randolph III" ... but who owned what? Wikipedia should allow the reader to understand history unambigousuly. Thomas Jefferson lived at Tuckahoe as a child. If you check out what links here there are several articles that depend on clear reference to a particular William Randolph III]. Peace, MPS (talk) 15:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig pages are for situations where a given search might apply to more then one article, these two individuals have no articles. If they are not notable enough for articles they are not notable enough for a Disambig page.Slatersteven (talk) 15:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I hear you, but I submit that both men named William Randolph III could have their own stub articles based on their respective plantation houses and their influence on Virginia History as a part of the very powerful Randolph family of Virginia. I don't particularly care if it is a disambig page or simply a stub article that discusses two different people with the same name. In any case, "William Randolph III" is notable and encyclopedic topic, IMHO. EDITED TO ADD William Randolph III is listed on List of members of the Virginia House of Burgesses ... where on wikipedia do we learn which William Randolph III this refers to? Peace, MPS (talk) 16:03, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 15:53, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 15:53, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Slatersteven, dabs are to help you find the information on Wikipedia that you are looking for, and the subject may have their own article or be mentioned within an article - see MOS:DABMENTION. These has two valid entries, but is probably an WP:INCOMPDAB and so would be best merged/redirected to William Randolph (disambiguation). Boleyn (talk) 10:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ now that it has been tidied up into a standard dab page. If any more info about these people should be in the encyclopedia, either create stubs for them or add the content to their fathers' articles where they are mentioned. A dab page is purely for navigation, with only enough content to distinguish identically-named entities. If what's there now isn't enough for the reader to choose the right one, they have a 50% chance of getting it right and they know there is another option to go to if the first one isn't right. That's enough work for a dab page to do. PamD 09:39, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to new dab page at William Randolph (disambiguation), which is now linked by a hatnote at top of William Randolph and includes II as well as the two IIIs, and a possibly helpful link to William Randolph Hearst (disambiguation). The same points as above about what to do with the content about these IIIs: create stubs or add to their fathers' pages. PamD 09:58, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to William Randolph (disambiguation). I've added a couple of redirects and diverted most of the WR III links to them. Certes (talk) 19:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to new dab page, William Randolph (disambiguation) as per PamD and Certes. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete neither subject is notable, so there is no reason to have this disambiguation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.