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The result was keep as it appears the issues re: GEOLAND qualification have been resolved. If it and Heiner/Hiner need merging or other renaming, it can be handled editorially. StarMississippi 03:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - from a satellite view, this looks like an old coal town, probably for a long-shutdown coal mine. It's got a typical coal town's street layout - like a subdivision pasted on the side of steep hill. (I've been to Perry County, Kentucky but not to this place. I am familiar with how old coal towns were organized).
I'll look into this later, but see WP:RENNICK for something that is generally a good starting point for looking into these type places. Hog FarmTalk 22:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rennick has several mentions of this - we get The Ky. R. Coal Co. had a mine and camp at Whitsett, a statement that it was a station on the Danger Fork spur along with Duane and Heiner (possibly Hiner, Kentucky?), and a statement that Whitsett was a local station on the L&N railroad near the post office of Tub, Kentucky. Per this from 1919, a coal tipple and conveyor were built at Whitsett by Kentucky River Coal Company in expectation that a railroad would be extended through there (which it did so). Mr. Whitsett ran the company, which is apparently where the name came from. If I'm reading this correctly, there was a Whitsett No. 1 Mine, with the associated post office in Hiener. A late 1920s court case heard arguments about allegedly unfair rates to ship coal from Whitsett. I'm finding a number of references to this place, but always as a mine and railroad on-shipping point with the Kentucky River Coal Company. Searching in newspapers brought up only a wave of usage of the surname. I'm inclined to see this place that likely doesn't have enough coverage for a stand-alone article, but one that would warrant discussion in a future article on the Kentucky River Coal Company. Between all of this and the topographic maps, there's a fair chance that the actually community that was historically here and what A. B. is seeing evidence of is actually Hiner/Hiener/Heiner. Hog FarmTalk 23:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hodge 1918, p. 175 has a Haddix mine here at the Lost Creek Road Fork of the Trace Fork of the Lotts Creek Fork of the North Fork of the Kentucky River and Lotts Creek (Perry, Kentucky) is how Rennick 2000 systematizes this too, including both Whitsett and Heiner in one whole. This is how I would systematize both this and the GNIS mess substub at Hiner, Kentucky. There's probably not enough to break out the Lost Creek Road Fork out as a sub-article, but there's definitely enough from both Rennick and Hodge for Lotts Creek (Perry, Kentucky).
comment There is some sort of problem here. The coordinates of Hiner and Whitsett are barely different. Not sure what the best resolution is, given that we can only infer that the mine was here. Mangoe (talk) 17:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So, from Rennick's Perry Co. post offices guide, the Pioneer Coal Company [...] opened a mine and established a camp they called Heiner. By October 18, 1918, when Zach Grass started the Heiner post office, this vicinity had also become the northern terminus of the three mile long Danger Fork Spur of the L&N. A village just above the post office was then called Whitsett. On November 22, 1927, the post office and station became Pioneer. But by 1936 and until the post office closed in 1944, the community it served had again become Heiner. Based on the sum total of everything I've read for this topic, I'm really thinking that between Heiner/Hiner and Whitsett, we really only have one actual community. Hog FarmTalk 23:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was wrong. There's enough for Lotts Creek (Perry, Kentucky) without even getting to this, so this article gets used for its tributary Trace Fork, where Heiner, Whitsett, and even Bulan all are. I am sure that Hog Farm will come along later to mix in all of the above stuff. Uncle G (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 02:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, obviously: it's a place with a documented human history. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The current state of the article shows several settlements (including Whitsett) that appear to meat WP:GEOLAND and sufficient sources to support an article. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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