Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westbrook Hay School (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:40, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Westbrook Hay School[edit]

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No doubt the building is notable but is the school notable? The lack of independent sources suggest not. Thus seems to fail WP:GNG The Banner talk 12:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and England. Shellwood (talk) 12:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No notability. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Indeed, the building is notable. It's a Grade II listed building (under the title Westbrook Hay School).[1] So per WP:GEOFEAT, whose wording is pretty unequivocal, it is clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Then it needs to be an article about the building! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- It can be about both, you know! But we are looking at the notability of the subject here, not the quality or content of the article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I rearranged the text to reflect the primary notability of the building (which is the title of the article) and only secondarily the current inhabitants of the building. The building is inherently notable per WP:GEOFEAT (thanks, Necrothesp!), and the description of the prep school is appropriate to include, even the prep school it is not independently notable. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Question: Is the name of the building actually "Westbrook Hay School" or had the building a different name before the school moved in? The Grade-listing is probably post-moving in of the school.The Banner talk 15:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  The text of the National Heritage List says, "The seat of the Ryder family. Used by RAF in 2nd World War: the Hemel Hempstead New Town Commission thereafter. Became a school 1963." Our text describing the prep school says, "...it was forced out of its old premises by the Commission for New Towns as part of its development of the new town in 1963. It took on its present name at its present site that year." So the school's name changed with its relocation to "Westbrook Hay", which was probably the original building name. I'll look for references to the building prior to 1963. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 15:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  According to The History of Parliament, when Hon. Richard Ryder died, "...had no surviving children and left Westbrook Hay and the residue of his estate to Granville Ryder." So his estate was "Westbrook Hay" before the school occupied the building. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 16:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Can we agree on a name change of the article after a withdrawal of the nomination? The Banner talk 16:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Regardless of the name before or after the school moved into the building in question, it's worth bearing in mind WP:COMMONNAME. I would imagine that today, since the school moved in, the building as a whole is referred to as "Westbrook Hay School", but its hard to tell as most of the more recent sources are probably referring to the school rather than the building. In other words, it's probably worth having discussion about this move to explore this matter further. HenryTemplo (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    
    I have no objection to changing the title to Westbrook Hay. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes WP:GEOFEAT, being a listed building. I would've suggested shifting the emphasis of the article towards the building, but Grand'mere Eugene has been a star and already gone and done it! HenryTemplo (talk) 15:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep being a Grade 2 listed and an independent school may just qualify it as notable. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GEOFEAT Djflem (talk) 06:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request close as keep, as nominator. Now the scope of the article has changed from the school to the Grade listed building, there is no need to nominate the school any further. After close a rename will follow to correct the title to the new article scope. The Banner talk 08:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The grade listed building is Westbrook Hay School; what name change? Djflem (talk) 05:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The original building was named "Westbrook Hall". The Banner talk 09:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
However, today, it appears that the building is simply called "Westbrook Hall School" (although it's unclear), so it might be worthwhile having a separate move discussion on the matter. HenryTemplo (talk) 10:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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